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Pepsi Jedi wrote:New Magic classes in the rifter? Which ones would those be? (( I have all the rifters but it's been a while on some of them.))

13eowulf wrote:

Pepsi Jedi wrote:New Magic classes in the rifter? Which ones would those be? (( I have all the rifters but it's been a while on some of them.))

Rifter #46 has several new magic classes for Heroes.

Pepsi Jedi wrote:Hardware Unlimited: So, guns and cars and stuff? Ehhhhh... While an upgrade on the guns and stuff we have now wouldn't hurt, most of the heroes in HU aren't the punisher. I'd only see limited use out of that.

Pepsi Jedi wrote:
"Science" Unlimited sounds like "Rifts Bionics, - the MDC. I'd love some Mad Sciencce, but I'd be afraid they'd just cut and paste the bionics from the ... Bionic book and the robots from sourcebook one and give it to us as a 'new' book.

If we could get 100% revision and new stuff. Maybe... but sourcebook 1 isn't that old. I think we'd just get SDC conversions of those.

Pepsi Jedi wrote:Ultimate powers.
1: You need STRONGER Mega heroes? lol
2: Again, you need STRONGER SUPER Mega heroes?
3: We have the Immortal class in Pu2.

Juce734 wrote:I enjoy these threads. Here a couple that are the same thing basically.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=124128

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=128957

Mediapig71 wrote:

Juce734 wrote:I enjoy these threads. Here a couple that are the same thing basically.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=124128

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=128957

Actually, this thread gives me another idea: A Super Spy book! Let's see the Palladium version of a Super heroic Spy Agency, their gadgets, gear, vehicles, etc, along with their enemy!

Juce734 wrote:

Mediapig71 wrote:

Juce734 wrote:I enjoy these threads. Here a couple that are the same thing basically.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=124128

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=128957

Actually, this thread gives me another idea: A Super Spy book! Let's see the Palladium version of a Super heroic Spy Agency, their gadgets, gear, vehicles, etc, along with their enemy!

Wouldn't that be for Ninjas and Superspies? I own that book but haven't read it really.

Juce734 wrote:You can create super organizations with the Villians Unlimited book. It has all sorts of ways to create some like Fabricators Inc. my personal favorite villian faction.

Mediapig71 wrote:

Juce734 wrote:I enjoy these threads. Here a couple that are the same thing basically.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=124128

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=128957

Actually, this thread gives me another idea: A Super Spy book! Let's see the Palladium version of a Super heroic Spy Agency, their gadgets, gear, vehicles, etc, along with their enemy!

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:Tech Book - For Bionics, Robotics & Hardware
Atorian Empire - Yes, I Technically have this, but I wish I could share in the coolness of it with all of you
Any of the books then Glen Evans is working on.

Reagren Wright wrote:

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:Tech Book - For Bionics, Robotics & Hardware
Atorian Empire - Yes, I Technically have this, but I wish I could share in the coolness of it with all of you
Any of the books then Glen Evans is working on.

Thanks for the love .

Pepsi Jedi wrote:

13eowulf wrote:

Pepsi Jedi wrote:New Magic classes in the rifter? Which ones would those be? (( I have all the rifters but it's been a while on some of them.))

Rifter #46 has several new magic classes for Heroes.

Thank you. I'll get it off the shelf when I finish my ice cream. It's HOT here.

Pepsi Jedi wrote:

Pepsi Jedi wrote:

13eowulf wrote:

Pepsi Jedi wrote:New Magic classes in the rifter? Which ones would those be? (( I have all the rifters but it's been a while on some of them.))

Rifter #46 has several new magic classes for Heroes.

Thank you. I'll get it off the shelf when I finish my ice cream. It's HOT here.

I checked it out. You're right there are some new ones there. I'm getting sort of a "Really weak Dresdon' Vibe off one or two of them. lol. Intresting things there though. Thanks for the heads up. I'm not sure how many people would go for those over the other "Easier to use" Types but they are other 'options'. I like the concept of being a more modern day mage. And those presented do seem more street level than 'COSMICALLY POWERED MAGICIAN". I just am unsure how many would embrace them.

Mephisto wrote:Not a conversion but more of a discussion, Dr Strange, Agatha Harkness, Shaman, Amanda Sefton, and Dr Doom have wildly varied magical abilities that are really difficult to mold into HU2's magic power category. In HU2, magic really takes second place to technology (either experiments, weapons, science, transportation) so both magic and to a lesser degree psionics are forgotten means to power. So the level of power would reflect that.

Armageddon Unlimited kind of addressed this, as most supernatural threats are treated as mad science monsters or mutants, not beings from other dimensions (the existence of aliens is kind of thrown under the rug as well thanks to Project Tyche and SHOCK). So more powerful magical characters than Mystic Study would likely draw power from an alien being and/or dimension to account for the lack of mystic knowledge in HU2 (unless you are like me and have a Unified Earth setting where HU2 is the front page news headline battles between powerful and obviously advanced forces like the Masters of Speed vs SCRET or the JP Gang running a chop shop outfit that draws the attention of the media courtesy of the Detroit Defenders; the secret battle between organizations ala N&S, where the spies infiltrate and stop planned weapon and biological attacks and would-be science terrors; and BTS2, the shadow war between supernatural beings and those rare enough to encounter, engage and exterminate, all under the noses of those watching Brittania fighting Nazi war criminals over the skies of London).

A Mega version of Enchanted Object could be such a class, with say three options (Mega Familiar/Minion, Mega Object (such as a pair of gloves), or Mega Property/Location (such as the Fountain of Youth). Although the Mega Object would be immensely powerful, the conditions for owning something like that would be steep indeed. One of the things that would make it interesting is that the enchanted object would be actively alive and suggestive to the character, unlike less powerful enchanted objects where the object is relatively static and alignment neutral. It would also allow other dimensional beings to access the characters dimension through the Enchanted Object, with potentially unforseen consequences. I think that's the best way to handle characters that would have power much greater than Mystic Study and the classes of Modern Mage and Digital Sorcerer, since Real Time Caster is meant to be extremely weak as is the New Age Oracle.

Zenvis wrote:

Mephisto wrote:Not a conversion but more of a discussion, Dr Strange, Agatha Harkness, Shaman, Amanda Sefton, and Dr Doom have wildly varied magical abilities that are really difficult to mold into HU2's magic power category. In HU2, magic really takes second place to technology (either experiments, weapons, science, transportation) so both magic and to a lesser degree psionics are forgotten means to power. So the level of power would reflect that.

Armageddon Unlimited kind of addressed this, as most supernatural threats are treated as mad science monsters or mutants, not beings from other dimensions (the existence of aliens is kind of thrown under the rug as well thanks to Project Tyche and SHOCK). So more powerful magical characters than Mystic Study would likely draw power from an alien being and/or dimension to account for the lack of mystic knowledge in HU2 (unless you are like me and have a Unified Earth setting where HU2 is the front page news headline battles between powerful and obviously advanced forces like the Masters of Speed vs SCRET or the JP Gang running a chop shop outfit that draws the attention of the media courtesy of the Detroit Defenders; the secret battle between organizations ala N&S, where the spies infiltrate and stop planned weapon and biological attacks and would-be science terrors; and BTS2, the shadow war between supernatural beings and those rare enough to encounter, engage and exterminate, all under the noses of those watching Brittania fighting Nazi war criminals over the skies of London).

A Mega version of Enchanted Object could be such a class, with say three options (Mega Familiar/Minion, Mega Object (such as a pair of gloves), or Mega Property/Location (such as the Fountain of Youth). Although the Mega Object would be immensely powerful, the conditions for owning something like that would be steep indeed. One of the things that would make it interesting is that the enchanted object would be actively alive and suggestive to the character, unlike less powerful enchanted objects where the object is relatively static and alignment neutral. It would also allow other dimensional beings to access the characters dimension through the Enchanted Object, with potentially unforseen consequences. I think that's the best way to handle characters that would have power much greater than Mystic Study and the classes of Modern Mage and Digital Sorcerer, since Real Time Caster is meant to be extremely weak as is the New Age Oracle.

You are correct. While the game Rifts addresses the problem and perhaps Palladium Fantasy, HU2 does not address the lack of power balance. In addition the powers are scattered among several books and needs to be pulled together. There needs to be rules on how the other power categories react to magic both physically and psychologically.

Pepsi Jedi wrote:

Zenvis wrote:

Mephisto wrote:Not a conversion but more of a discussion, Dr Strange, Agatha Harkness, Shaman, Amanda Sefton, and Dr Doom have wildly varied magical abilities that are really difficult to mold into HU2's magic power category. In HU2, magic really takes second place to technology (either experiments, weapons, science, transportation) so both magic and to a lesser degree psionics are forgotten means to power. So the level of power would reflect that.

Armageddon Unlimited kind of addressed this, as most supernatural threats are treated as mad science monsters or mutants, not beings from other dimensions (the existence of aliens is kind of thrown under the rug as well thanks to Project Tyche and SHOCK). So more powerful magical characters than Mystic Study would likely draw power from an alien being and/or dimension to account for the lack of mystic knowledge in HU2 (unless you are like me and have a Unified Earth setting where HU2 is the front page news headline battles between powerful and obviously advanced forces like the Masters of Speed vs SCRET or the JP Gang running a chop shop outfit that draws the attention of the media courtesy of the Detroit Defenders; the secret battle between organizations ala N&S, where the spies infiltrate and stop planned weapon and biological attacks and would-be science terrors; and BTS2, the shadow war between supernatural beings and those rare enough to encounter, engage and exterminate, all under the noses of those watching Brittania fighting Nazi war criminals over the skies of London).

A Mega version of Enchanted Object could be such a class, with say three options (Mega Familiar/Minion, Mega Object (such as a pair of gloves), or Mega Property/Location (such as the Fountain of Youth). Although the Mega Object would be immensely powerful, the conditions for owning something like that would be steep indeed. One of the things that would make it interesting is that the enchanted object would be actively alive and suggestive to the character, unlike less powerful enchanted objects where the object is relatively static and alignment neutral. It would also allow other dimensional beings to access the characters dimension through the Enchanted Object, with potentially unforseen consequences. I think that's the best way to handle characters that would have power much greater than Mystic Study and the classes of Modern Mage and Digital Sorcerer, since Real Time Caster is meant to be extremely weak as is the New Age Oracle.

You are correct. While the game Rifts addresses the problem and perhaps Palladium Fantasy, HU2 does not address the lack of power balance. In addition the powers are scattered among several books and needs to be pulled together. There needs to be rules on how the other power categories react to magic both physically and psychologically.

They tend to blast it or squish it from my experience.

Maybe I'm the odd one out, but I don't need Rift's 2000+ Spells reprinted in SDC format for a small subsection of the HU universe. If you want more spells grab those and covert them. lol Many of them can even be found in one tome, collected. There's alreadyy the "Book of Magic" I don't need a 'Book of Sdc" Magic, that with Palladium, (( I love um but you know it's true)) will be 85-95% just cuts and pasts with sdc stats and maybe 15-5% new stuff.

Daniel Stoker wrote:I'd really like to see more comic book psionics and a revamp of how ISP works or regenerates in Heroes.


Daniel Stoker

Pepsi Jedi wrote:Aren't most comic book psionics used pretty much for Telepathy, and telekinesis? Past that aren't they usually just 'powers' that are called psionic?

13eowulf wrote:There are many 'iconic' psionic abilities that either do not exist in Palladium, or do not function in the 'classic' manner. However I have found that there are a great many fan made powers that fill these gaps. I would like to see these powers adopted into official material. Like one or two of the Telekinetic Flight powers out there.

Juce734 wrote:#1 Technology Unlimited
- It would cover Hardware, Bionics, and Robot characters more in depth.
- Lists of things you can buy for bionics, robots, or hardware inventions.
- Have modern and futuristic weapons, vehicles (from cars up to military vehicles), and equipment.


#2 Heroes Unlimited Ultimate Edition
- Includes rules in a clean streamlined fashion (rules were organized well before).
- Include weather rules.
- Include all character types from HU2, PU2, and Armageddon Unlimited.
- Have basic weapons, vehicles, and equipment in the back.
- Include all powers from HU2, PU1, and PU3. No need to have them in so many different books.
- Include the skills from HU2, and possibly some from Rifts.


#3 Another Setting Book
- Due to CS being so good do another city in the same format.
- A more safe city that has its own Mutant Underground.
- This city could have more street level villians and heroes. No megas here, or only a couple who lead huge groups of weaker villians.
- Include some of the villians from Villians Unlimited. Like give Fabricators Inc a place of operation here.
- Instead of being on a large body of water it is divided by a large river instead.
-Have a few entry level adventures to run straight out of the book.
- 100 Adventure Ideas

Juce734 wrote:

Juce734 wrote:#1 Technology Unlimited
- It would cover Hardware, Bionics, and Robot characters more in depth.
- Lists of things you can buy for bionics, robots, or hardware inventions.
- Have modern and futuristic weapons, vehicles (from cars up to military vehicles), and equipment.


#2 Heroes Unlimited Ultimate Edition
- Includes rules in a clean streamlined fashion (rules were organized well before).
- Include weather rules.
- Include all character types from HU2, PU2, and Armageddon Unlimited.
- Have basic weapons, vehicles, and equipment in the back.
- Include all powers from HU2, PU1, and PU3. No need to have them in so many different books.
- Include the skills from HU2, and possibly some from Rifts.


#3 Another Setting Book
- Due to CS being so good do another city in the same format.
- A more safe city that has its own Mutant Underground.
- This city could have more street level villians and heroes. No megas here, or only a couple who lead huge groups of weaker villians.
- Include some of the villians from Villians Unlimited. Like give Fabricators Inc a place of operation here.
- Instead of being on a large body of water it is divided by a large river instead.
-Have a few entry level adventures to run straight out of the book.
- 100 Adventure Ideas

I still like my ideas from before but have been thinking why not make individual books for each Character Category similiar to how some other lines do it. Some lines have Fighters, Rogues, etc. source books. Palladium could do this for character generation which would be cool I think.

Technology Unlimited [HU Player Handbook]- It would cover Hardware, Bionics, Robot, Eugenics, and Super Invention characters more in depth.
- Lists of things you can buy.
- Have modern and futuristic weapons, vehicles (from cars up to military vehicles), and equipment. (Include some toned down things from Rifts into an SDC setting)

Skilled Unlimited (Needs a better name) [HU Player Handbook]
-Could cover Special Training, Physical Training, and Weapon Training more in depth.
-Could include all new Special Training categories.
-Could include unique equipment that a human super hero would need to keep up with the super powered.
-Revised set of skills and maybe even quicker skill selection by OCC.

Powered Unlimited (Needs a better name) [HU Player Handbook]
-Could cover Mutants, Experiments, Empowered, Psionics, Symbiotic, and Gestalts more in depth.
-Includes all powers from PU1-PU3, Armageddon Unlimited, and any others that would work.
-Refines the table to one big table with broken down groups of powers like kittenstomps table I believe.

Megas Unlimited (Needs a better name) [HU Player Handbook]
-Could cover Standard Megas, Immortals, and Natural Genius more in depth.
-Includes all extra abilities due to being a mega.
-Includes all the achilles heels of being a Mega.
-Could include ways to play Megas and ways to GM Megas.

Can't forget I want more setting books, maybe an Adventures Unlimited book, and Villians Unlimited 2. There is still so much that can be done with the Heroes Unlimited line. Hope we see more soon.

13eowulf wrote:

Juce734 wrote:

Juce734 wrote:#1

Where is the love for Magic based heroes?
Yes AgU expanded the Mystically Bestowed a fair bit, and added some Weapons and Objects of Power... But what about the Mystic Study? And there is still so much that can be done with the Mystically Bestowed...

I said it before and I will say it again, we need a Magic Unlimited book (however what we DONT need is a reprint of all the spells from the Book of Magic, that would be a Cop-Out)

KillWatch wrote:1) HU Ultimate Edition: Lets get a better lay out though
2) Hardware Unlimited
3) Nursery-still waiting on that one

Cobalt-Blue wrote:

KillWatch wrote:1) HU Ultimate Edition: Lets get a better lay out though
2) Hardware Unlimited
3) Nursery-still waiting on that one

Nursery?