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Killer Cyborg wrote:When Prosek enter the dark chamber in the heart of the Lonestar Complex, he recoiled in horror at what he saw. He didn't know whether to have Bradford executed or to give him a medal for what he had done.
He chose the medal.
But once he saw the footage of this creature in action, watched it tearing into a group of D-Bee terrorists, he almost reconsidered.
The only thing that held him in check was the look of horror on the faces of the dying D-Bees as they were ripped into chunks of screaming bloody flesh.
Prosek recoiled, but the darkest part of him rejoiced. This is what that part longed for, something not just to kill the invaders of this dimension, but to give them nightmares, to fill them with terror and pain to such a degree that it overflowed their minds and spilled into the minds of their children, and their children's children, and every other filthy alien that defiled the Earth with their presence.
He wanted that terror and pain, he coveted it.
For with it came power, power that would belong to him.

The Voracious One
OCC/RCC: Mutant Weasel Hyperion Juicer
Level: 9
Alignment: Diabolic
Attributes: I.Q.: 10, M.E.: 11, M.A.: 13, P.S.: 36 (44 total) (supernatural), P.P.: 34, P.E.: 30, P.B.: 12 , Spd.: 149
MDC: 120
Height: 3 inches (8' 3" total) Weight: 400 lbs
Sex: Male. P.P.E.:
Bio-E: 125 total
Insanity: hyper-reactive (30% chance of reacting violently when startled). Has no conscious control over Growth power, and is stuck at his current size.
Disposition: Edgy, angry, and hungry. He often begins devouring foes immediately after battle, if they look edible.
Super Powers: Growth (45 Bio-E)
Natural Abilities: Full Hands (10 Bio-E), Full Biped (10 Bio-E), Size Level 1 (0 Bio-E), Increased Metabolic Rate (20 Bio-E) (must eat more than own body weight each day, combined with the Hyperion Juicer penalty for a total of over 2x his own body weight each day), heals 4x normal, lifts/carries 4x normal, Impervious to Pain,
Saving Throws: +4 vs. psionics, +4 vs. Mind Control, +9 vs. diseases/gasses/poisons/drugs (and 1/2 duration), +20% to save vs. coma/death
Skills of Note: Acrobatics (+5%), Climbing (+5%), Gymnastics (+5%), Land Navigation (+15%), Radio: Basic (+10%), Wilderness Survival (+10%), Spanish and Dragonese (+10%), WP Knife, WP Energy Rifle, WP Heavy Energy, HTH Expert, Aerobic Athletics, Athletics, Body Building, Boxing, Juggling,Kick Boxing, Physical Labor, Prowl, Running, Swimming, Wrestling, Forced March, Deadball, Juicer Football, Murderthon, WP Paired Weapons (from HTH)
Psionics: Mind Trap (25 Bio-E), Mind Block (15 Bio-E)

Combat
Attacks Per Melee: 11
Bonuses (total): +13 initiative, +16 to strike, +20 to parry, +23 to dodge, +2 damage, +6 to pull punch, +12 to roll with impact, +4 disarm, jump/leap 100' across after a short run (50' from standing position) and/or 50' high (half without the run), Kick attack 3d6+2 SDC, Power Kick 1d6 MD, auto parry, auto dodge (even on attacks from behind, etc.), Pin/incapacitate on natural 18+, Critical strike on natural 18+

Cybernetics/Bionics:
Hyperion Juicer Conversion, retractable Bionic Claws (2d6+4 MD) on both hands, Cybernetic O2 Storage Cell, Toxic Filter, Amplified Hearing w/ sound filtration (+1 parry, +2 dodge, +3 initiative), internal tracking device and cortex bomb, Recycler, Modulating Voice Synthesizer

Weapons & Equipment of Note:
Bionic Claws
Mega-damage: 8d6+6 MD (2d6+6 MD, plus punch damage of 6d6 MD)
He tends to use these in paired attacks, when he feels that his auto-dodge will be able to defend him.

CA-6EX Armor
200 MDC
+8 PS, +14 SPD, +10' to jumps/leaps, reduces fatigue by 50%
-30% prowl, -10% swim, acrobatics, gymnastics, etc.), no penalties to climb.
HUD, Computer & video link, optical enhancements, laser distancer, laser targeting (+1 strike)

CTT-M2 Missile Rifle
For times when close combat is not acceptable. Usually loaded with armor piercing missiles.

Silver Dog Pack Spikes
Worn over armor, for encounters with undead.

Penpen wrote:I'm meeting up with a new GM tomorrow as he wants to look over my new PC for his campaign. As he's a bit new to rifts and I'm an old dog, I figured I'd prank him a bit by presenting the most overpowered piece of munchkin bait possible before showing him my real character. What are your suggestions? Preferrably complete with rules lawyering of the worst kind.

Right now I'm trying to work out a way to stack godling, cosmo-knight and juicer bonuses...

Or maybe I should just go for the plain weird, like a vampire sperm whale.
/Joel

Shark_Force wrote:@killer cyborg: i didn't think HU mutant animals were allowed to have both superpowers and animal psionics...

Penpen wrote:I'm meeting up with a new GM tomorrow as he wants to look over my new PC for his campaign. As he's a bit new to rifts and I'm an old dog, I figured I'd prank him a bit by presenting the most overpowered piece of munchkin bait possible before showing him my real character. What are your suggestions? Preferrably complete with rules lawyering of the worst kind.

Right now I'm trying to work out a way to stack godling, cosmo-knight and juicer bonuses...

Or maybe I should just go for the plain weird, like a vampire sperm whale.
/Joel

SAMASzero wrote:I don't think a single vampire can drink that much blood...

dragonfett wrote:That sounds like my pbp character, except for tho whole Cold Blooded thing (and six tattoos, my character only has four).

There is another high powered pbp game that I made a character for that I made a 5th level master psychic Rahu-Man Cyber Knight (taking every physical skill that I could including Boxing and Fencing) with a Tri-Tops mount.

Mack wrote:True Atlantean Cyber-Knight, with Master Psionics, 6 Magic Tattoos, and who then becomes a Cold Blooded (from Merc Adventures).

Blue_Lion wrote:How about a norse elf who did the ritural for wisdom at the world tree(deties and demi gods.) and is a TW start with a TW convteted Super APC moble base from Triax 2, with the mend the broken spell (cost reduced to 1 PPE per 1 K mdc) and 64 pack of anitlate mini missles. His amor has warror hoard (reduced down to 10 PPE) and the anilate spell (reduced down to 1 ppe)

Tor wrote:I don't really understand these PPE reductions.

Slight001 wrote:

Tor wrote:I don't really understand these PPE reductions.

That's a quirk of the RUE TW creation rules where you can overbuild the device to reduce the P.P.E. cost needed to active the device.

Tor wrote:Not sure why everyone wants to get pinned to that darn tree. It doesn't give you anything you couldn't otherwise get with enough time and credits to learn the magic.

Heck by the time you reach level 15 you might've already bought all the level 15 spells, assuming you'd use them that often.

Tor wrote:Oh, more and more changes I learn about RUE adding to the game as time goes on, guess I should buy that thing in hardcover eventually. My curled-cover RMB could use a rest.

Power creep aside, it would be nice to have a better idea of how to make TW devices because it was always left kinda vague how to make new ones.

Even for the ones which are already given stats, it's never too clear how long they take to make for a TW, if they have to make skill rolls, how much money it costs to make it, etc.

Mack wrote:

Tor wrote:Oh, more and more changes I learn about RUE adding to the game as time goes on, guess I should buy that thing in hardcover eventually. My curled-cover RMB could use a rest.

Power creep aside, it would be nice to have a better idea of how to make TW devices because it was always left kinda vague how to make new ones.

Even for the ones which are already given stats, it's never too clear how long they take to make for a TW, if they have to make skill rolls, how much money it costs to make it, etc.

RUE has an optional set of rules for creating TW devices. However, they are rather unwieldy and ripe for abuse once analyzed. They require (and encourage) solid GM oversight.

Tor wrote:Not sure why everyone wants to get pinned to that darn tree. It doesn't give you anything you couldn't otherwise get with enough time and credits to learn the magic.

Heck by the time you reach level 15 you might've already bought all the level 15 spells, assuming you'd use them that often.

Mack wrote:True Atlantean Cyber-Knight, with Master Psionics, 6 Magic Tattoos, and who then becomes a Cold Blooded (from Merc Adventures).

First am hearing of this cold-blooded thing, what's that?

Blue_Lion wrote:How about a norse elf who did the ritural for wisdom at the world tree(deties and demi gods.) and is a TW start with a TW convteted Super APC moble base from Triax 2, with the mend the broken spell (cost reduced to 1 PPE per 1 K mdc) and 64 pack of anitlate mini missles. His amor has warror hoard (reduced down to 10 PPE) and the anilate spell (reduced down to 1 ppe)

I don't really understand these PPE reductions.

When people ask for munchkin stuff, it's assumed that the character still follows the rules. Otherwise you could just be all "my char has a billion MDC and does a million MD per hit" and be done with it.

Shark_Force wrote:pun-pun the kobold

Mack wrote:

Tor wrote:Oh, more and more changes I learn about RUE adding to the game as time goes on, guess I should buy that thing in hardcover eventually. My curled-cover RMB could use a rest.

Power creep aside, it would be nice to have a better idea of how to make TW devices because it was always left kinda vague how to make new ones.

Even for the ones which are already given stats, it's never too clear how long they take to make for a TW, if they have to make skill rolls, how much money it costs to make it, etc.

RUE has an optional set of rules for creating TW devices. However, they are rather unwieldy and ripe for abuse once analyzed. They require (and encourage) solid GM oversight.

Rifts Ultimate Edition wrote:Note: Players do not choose the exact final effects of a TW device; they only tell a Game Master what they wish the device to do. It is always the Game Master’s call as to exactly how something turns out. It may be more or less powerful than the player originally thought it should be, but the player and G.M. can work together to improve the design.

Natasha wrote:

Mack wrote:

Tor wrote:Oh, more and more changes I learn about RUE adding to the game as time goes on, guess I should buy that thing in hardcover eventually. My curled-cover RMB could use a rest.

Power creep aside, it would be nice to have a better idea of how to make TW devices because it was always left kinda vague how to make new ones.

Even for the ones which are already given stats, it's never too clear how long they take to make for a TW, if they have to make skill rolls, how much money it costs to make it, etc.

RUE has an optional set of rules for creating TW devices. However, they are rather unwieldy and ripe for abuse once analyzed. They require (and encourage) solid GM oversight.

It seems that a lot of people miss the part that the GM takes what the player creates and then gives the player what the character gets.

Rifts Ultimate Edition wrote:Note: Players do not choose the exact final effects of a TW device; they only tell a Game Master what they wish the device to do. It is always the Game Master’s call as to exactly how something turns out. It may be more or less powerful than the player originally thought it should be, but the player and G.M. can work together to improve the design.

Mack wrote:

Natasha wrote:

Mack wrote:

Tor wrote:Oh, more and more changes I learn about RUE adding to the game as time goes on, guess I should buy that thing in hardcover eventually. My curled-cover RMB could use a rest.

Power creep aside, it would be nice to have a better idea of how to make TW devices because it was always left kinda vague how to make new ones.

Even for the ones which are already given stats, it's never too clear how long they take to make for a TW, if they have to make skill rolls, how much money it costs to make it, etc.

RUE has an optional set of rules for creating TW devices. However, they are rather unwieldy and ripe for abuse once analyzed. They require (and encourage) solid GM oversight.

It seems that a lot of people miss the part that the GM takes what the player creates and then gives the player what the character gets.

Rifts Ultimate Edition wrote:Note: Players do not choose the exact final effects of a TW device; they only tell a Game Master what they wish the device to do. It is always the Game Master’s call as to exactly how something turns out. It may be more or less powerful than the player originally thought it should be, but the player and G.M. can work together to improve the design.

Hence the last sentence of my post.

Necrite wrote:

Shark_Force wrote:pun-pun the kobold

I had to look that up. That's ridiculous.

It's also a perfect example of why I like Palladium's system over WotC's D&D. With every rule set in stone, things like that become simple, because if the GM says "No, that's not how it works", the rules lawyer can pull out some book that supports him and say "Yes, it is."
Palladium's more organic rules set allows creativeness in both character creation and game play without allowing a player to crush the game because the rules say it's OK. Palladium's rules DO allow ridiculous levels of munchkinism, but when the rule books explicitly tell you that the rules are not set in stone, and that you, the GM, are the final arbiter, the rules lawyers have less of a leg to stand on.

I'd still rather have the books a little more organized (Rules go HERE, story stuff goes THERE, and never the twain shall meet!), but we really don't need everything broken down and codified like D&D3 did.

Shark_Force wrote:

Necrite wrote:

Shark_Force wrote:pun-pun the kobold

I had to look that up. That's ridiculous.

It's also a perfect example of why I like Palladium's system over WotC's D&D. With every rule set in stone, things like that become simple, because if the GM says "No, that's not how it works", the rules lawyer can pull out some book that supports him and say "Yes, it is."
Palladium's more organic rules set allows creativeness in both character creation and game play without allowing a player to crush the game because the rules say it's OK. Palladium's rules DO allow ridiculous levels of munchkinism, but when the rule books explicitly tell you that the rules are not set in stone, and that you, the GM, are the final arbiter, the rules lawyers have less of a leg to stand on.

I'd still rather have the books a little more organized (Rules go HERE, story stuff goes THERE, and never the twain shall meet!), but we really don't need everything broken down and codified like D&D3 did.

this is silly. the first rule, literally called rule zero, in 3.5 D&D, is that you can change the rules.

but that's beside the point. unless your DM/GM is a robot, i guarantee you, you have NEVER played ANY remotely complex RPG exactly the way the rules say you should. *technically* the rules for 3.5 D&D say you can make pun-pun the kobold happen. *technically* the rules for palladium say that if you make a burster (or mystic knight) scarecrow, you have a completely invincible character that can never be killed by anything no matter what. there really isn't a significant difference. in fact, to pull off pun-pun the kobold, you have to jump through a heck of a lot more hoops than the scarecrow cheese i just mentioned (this is true for most of the classic ridiculous D&D builds... hulking hurler, wish and the word, nanobots, etc). and in both cases, the solution is identical. when a player says "but this is how it's supposed to work", the GM/DM says "no. that isn't happening in my game. now go make something reasonable".

the ability to alter the rules is not unique to palladium i will say that in palladium, you are much more likely to be *forced* to modify the rules, and that you will get further in many other systems before your GM/DM is forced to modify something just to make the game function at all, but it is a core assumption of any pen and paper RPG i have ever played or seen that you will change things to work the way you want. in many cases, it is an assumption that is clearly spelled out right in the rule books.

Giant2005 wrote:The Mystic Knight thing would still be possible I guess but they are vulnerable to magic fire so it wouldn't be completely indestructible.

wyrmraker wrote:Depending on which versions of the rules your GM has, you could pull an original recipe full-sized Zentraedi Cosmo Knight. Their PS is rolled normally, then multiplied by 100. Cosmo Knight would make it Supernatural. Everything else would go up as per Cosmo-Knight.
Imagine the Cosmic Weapon for a 50' tall guy. It would do a heck of a lot more than a piddly 1d6x10 md.
Then again, there's also the alien generation tables in Phase World. Go ahead, look them up. You can make mortal godlings with epic amounts of magic and psychic abilities. And it's 100% by the book. Doesn't even go into crossover material.

wyrmraker wrote:Depending on which versions of the rules your GM has, you could pull an original recipe full-sized Zentraedi Cosmo Knight. Their PS is rolled normally, then multiplied by 100. Cosmo Knight would make it Supernatural. Everything else would go up as per Cosmo-Knight.
Imagine the Cosmic Weapon for a 50' tall guy. It would do a heck of a lot more than a piddly 1d6x10 md.
Then again, there's also the alien generation tables in Phase World. Go ahead, look them up. You can make mortal godlings with epic amounts of magic and psychic abilities. And it's 100% by the book. Doesn't even go into crossover material.

Nightmask wrote:

wyrmraker wrote:Depending on which versions of the rules your GM has, you could pull an original recipe full-sized Zentraedi Cosmo Knight. Their PS is rolled normally, then multiplied by 100. Cosmo Knight would make it Supernatural. Everything else would go up as per Cosmo-Knight.
Imagine the Cosmic Weapon for a 50' tall guy. It would do a heck of a lot more than a piddly 1d6x10 md.
Then again, there's also the alien generation tables in Phase World. Go ahead, look them up. You can make mortal godlings with epic amounts of magic and psychic abilities. And it's 100% by the book. Doesn't even go into crossover material.

The way the rules are written the cosmic weapon actually wouldn't do anymore damage, so a 6" tall, 6' tall, and 60' tall Cosmo-Knight will deal pretty much the same amount of damage when attacking.

Tor wrote:Why's everyone afraid of Scarecrows immune to all fire attacks? Just trap them and make them eternal prisoners or something =/

flatline wrote:

Tor wrote:Why's everyone afraid of Scarecrows immune to all fire attacks? Just trap them and make them eternal prisoners or something =/

Because video games and movies have trained a whole generation to think that killing the villain is the only way to have a happy ending.

flatline wrote:

Tor wrote:Why's everyone afraid of Scarecrows immune to all fire attacks? Just trap them and make them eternal prisoners or something =/

Because video games and movies have trained a whole generation to think that killing the villain is the only way to have a happy ending.

Which is a shame, really. Villains are often expected to single-handedly present a challenge to the entire party which means that if you can manage it, they can make extremely powerful allies.

--flatline

Killer Cyborg wrote:

flatline wrote:

Tor wrote:Why's everyone afraid of Scarecrows immune to all fire attacks? Just trap them and make them eternal prisoners or something =/

Because video games and movies have trained a whole generation to think that killing the villain is the only way to have a happy ending.

That's why massage parlors are better than video games and movies.

Tor wrote:Why's everyone afraid of Scarecrows immune to all fire attacks? Just trap them and make them eternal prisoners or something =/