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say652 wrote:i just like vampires as a menace. i was going to ad SPARKLES in sunlight as a weakness but after attempting to strangle myself with my mouse cable thought better of it.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:There might be something int the PU2 Immortal power cat.

Snake Eyes wrote:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:There might be something int the PU2 Immortal power cat.

Good point.....

Yup, page 63 "Undead/Vampire"

say652 wrote:i just like vampires as a menace. i was going to ad SPARKLES in sunlight as a weakness but after attempting to strangle myself with my mouse cable thought better of it.

Captain Shiva wrote:

say652 wrote:i just like vampires as a menace. i was going to ad SPARKLES in sunlight as a weakness but after attempting to strangle myself with my mouse cable thought better of it.

How about "Can't Act," and "Still Dates High School Girls" instead?

Stone Gargoyle wrote:

Snake Eyes wrote:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:There might be something int the PU2 Immortal power cat.

Good point.....

Yup, page 63 "Undead/Vampire"

This is what I use. You do not have to stick with traditional powers from fiction, but can give vampires any powers you see fit. I have taken to making vampire clans, each with a different power set, but as some of them are conversions from Vampire: The Masquerade RPG they are not really something I am free to post here.

Stone Gargoyle wrote:

Snake Eyes wrote:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:There might be something int the PU2 Immortal power cat.

Good point.....

Yup, page 63 "Undead/Vampire"

This is what I use. You do not have to stick with traditional powers from fiction, but can give vampires any powers you see fit. I have taken to making vampire clans, each with a different power set, but as some of them are conversions from Vampire: The Masquerade RPG they are not really something I am free to post here.

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say652 wrote:actually i am thinking of running this as a skypes game using pregenerated charcters and each session alternating between running the heroes and the vampires team. i am thinking a "mole type" hero would be played by the same person every session. so as it stands one hero and one villian for the players and one lucky person plays a mind controlled hero the whole time. and as the session plays out(when people die) new heroes(player created heroes) appear to assist the side of their choosing.

say652 wrote:i wanted to keep it heroes unlimited style, and be able to be added to existing hero abilities. a hunter/vigilante henchman would be fearsome indeed.

say652 wrote:was going to ad SPARKLES in sunlight as a weakness

Captain Shiva wrote:How about "Can't Act," and "Still Dates High School Girls" instead?

PapaMambo wrote:"Still Dates High School Girls" is a power I would love to have. In The immortal (pun intended) words of Matthew Mcconaughy in Dazed and Confused - "That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age." j/k of course, but dayumm they don't make girls the way they used to..

Tor wrote:

say652 wrote:was going to ad SPARKLES in sunlight as a weakness

Captain Shiva wrote:How about "Can't Act," and "Still Dates High School Girls" instead?

PapaMambo wrote:"Still Dates High School Girls" is a power I would love to have. In The immortal (pun intended) words of Matthew Mcconaughy in Dazed and Confused - "That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age." j/k of course, but dayumm they don't make girls the way they used to..

I am unclear why this would be listed as a weakness. =/ In particular if you were a PPE vampire, dating teenagers is the next best thing to wizards, and less able to cast a globe of daylight in your face.

Tor wrote:Do you also find it creepy and pathetic that The Dreamer (over 2000 years old) and Henry Smith (early 40s) are lovers (Rifts Mercs) or that in Vampire Kingdoms Carlotta (99) and Raoul (25) are lovers and that Meetal (29, 15 when she met him) is falling in love with her idol/mentor Grizzly Carter (390) ?

Or heck, what about all the gods who take mortal lovers all the time like Aphrodite, Freya, Ishtar and Zeus?

In Palladium I'd be more interested in mental attributes (namely IQ/ME), skill set and experience level when determining the appropriateness of such things.

In the case of vampires, considering that the transformation wipes out a lot of their past skills (doubt this happens in Twilight though) I have to wonder what they're the equivalent of mentally anyway. The +2 to IQ is nice for secondaries but it's still a massive skill loss.

I'm also left thinking of Vampire Hunter D (who's pretty ancient, have seen estimates at 5 thousand years) and various love interests who have shown up in his adventures like Doris Lang and Leila Marcus. D is obviously very standoffish and doesn't "date" either of them, but there's clearly 2-sided romantic interaction happening in both circumstances, and yet it doesn't creep me out, nor does it seem pathetic. In both cases, the girls are mature guardians of their families who battle against the supernatural, and are probably more informed capable of resisting coercion than half the older women in their respective communities.

Ryoko Hakubi (along with her creator Washu, in the Tenchi Muyo anime) is over 5000 years old, in love with Tenchi Masaki (15) and I'm not even mad.

Captain Shiva wrote:
I was picking on Twilight specifically. Most of the other examples you cite are between consenting adults. What bothered me was that Edward Cullen pretended to be a high school kid.And I wonder,how old was Lucy Westenra when Dracula seduced/raped her?

Sir_Spirit wrote:

Captain Shiva wrote:
I was picking on Twilight specifically. Most of the other examples you cite are between consenting adults. What bothered me was that Edward Cullen pretended to be a high school kid.And I wonder,how old was Lucy Westenra when Dracula seduced/raped her?

Lucy was dating three adult males and had accepted a marriage proposal from one near the start of the book. I am pretty sure she was an adult.

Nightmask wrote:

Sir_Spirit wrote:

Captain Shiva wrote:
I was picking on Twilight specifically. Most of the other examples you cite are between consenting adults. What bothered me was that Edward Cullen pretended to be a high school kid.And I wonder,how old was Lucy Westenra when Dracula seduced/raped her?

Lucy was dating three adult males and had accepted a marriage proposal from one near the start of the book. I am pretty sure she was an adult.

Considering the time periods the average vampire tends to start at in novels (like Dracula) and when many are set (again Dracula) it's not like it wasn't the norm for much older guys to date or marry barely teenage girls. Plus as an 'ageless' vampire it starts looking quite ridiculous to 'only date girls your own age' when there likely aren't many if any your age and it starts looking absurd to behave as if 300 years old is any worse than 100 years old or a thousand or just 40.

Captain Shiva wrote:was picking on Twilight specifically. Most of the other examples you cite are between consenting adults.

Captain Shiva wrote:What bothered me was that Edward Cullen pretended to be a high school kid.

Captain Shiva wrote:how old was Lucy Westenra when Dracula seduced/raped her?

Sir_Spirit wrote:Lucy was dating three adult males and had accepted a marriage proposal from one near the start of the book. I am pretty sure she was an adult.

Tor wrote:

Captain Shiva wrote:was picking on Twilight specifically. Most of the other examples you cite are between consenting adults.

So it's moreso the 'she's under 18' factor than the 'a century separates us' factor? Doris and Leila are both 17 and I still wouldn't hate D for having feelings for 'em, nor Ryoko for liking Tenchi, so meh.

Captain Shiva wrote:What bothered me was that Edward Cullen pretended to be a high school kid.

If you look like a high school kid, what other options are available to you? Admit you're a vampire and let people come hunt you?

He could pretend to be in his early 20s, like the actor playing him actually was.If he actually was 22 or so, it would be still inappropriate to date high school girls.

Captain Shiva wrote:how old was Lucy Westenra when Dracula seduced/raped her?

Wikipedia says she's 19 though I'm not sure at what point or how much time passed in the novel. Is she that lady who gets mounted by Dracula in wolf-form in some graveyard in that Johnny Depp version?

I am not sure which Wikipedia page you are citing, but I suggest you consult IMDB for information regarding characters/casting for Dracula movies, since to the best of my knowledge, Johnny Depp has never appeared in one. Please correct me if I am found to be wrong.
One thing that tends to get passed over with vampires a lot of the time is that they have this habit of killing people, which really is the greater crime that should be creeping us out more =/

Yes, you raise a valid point. But not all vampires behave like that.I can cite several examples. But Vlad Tepes was a monster in real life, and his fictional counterpart mind controlled a young woman(likely a minor by the laws of her society,) turned her into a monster like himself,who killed innocent children, and finally had to be laid to rest.

Sir_Spirit wrote:Lucy was dating three adult males and had accepted a marriage proposal from one near the start of the book. I am pretty sure she was an adult.

I dunno, surely in 1893 there was some flexibility in some families, not all would necessarily be protective and prevent her from dating or accepting proposals.

He could pretend to be in his early 20s, like the actor playing him actually was.

If he actually was 22 or so, it would be still inappropriate to date high school girls.

I am not sure which Wikipedia page you are citing, but I suggest you consult IMDB for information regarding characters/casting for Dracula movies, since to the best of my knowledge, Johnny Depp has never appeared in one.

his fictional counterpart mind controlled a young woman (likely a minor by the laws of her society) turned her into a monster like himself who killed innocent children, and finally had to be laid to rest.

Tor wrote:Doing my best to sort out what is from Shiva here...

He could pretend to be in his early 20s, like the actor playing him actually was.

That could apply to movie-version Ed but not necessarily book-version Ed.

If he actually was 22 or so, it would be still inappropriate to date high school girls.

He's from an era where it was appropriate, what if he disagrees with the changing times?

I am not sure which Wikipedia page you are citing, but I suggest you consult IMDB for information regarding characters/casting for Dracula movies, since to the best of my knowledge, Johnny Depp has never appeared in one.

Ah, I was thinking of Keanu Reeves in 1992's Bram Stoker's Dracula, apologies. I must have mixed that up with my memory of Edward Scissorhands. These unaging hotties all look alike to me.

his fictional counterpart mind controlled a young woman (likely a minor by the laws of her society) turned her into a monster like himself who killed innocent children, and finally had to be laid to rest.

I'm unclear on how much mind control was involved, and I'm not sure 19 would be considered a minor in the late 1800s. I'm a bit fuzzy on the details of who Lucy ended up killing. She didn't really 'have' to be put to rest though. Helsing made a choice to murder these beings.