Once we hit $1,300,000 the YF-4 Experimental Valkyrie won't be experimental any more! The YF-4 Valkyrie Wing will include the classic fighter design you all know and love, in addition it will also include newly designed Guardian and Battloid modes as well! The YF-4 will be available as a Purchase Add-on for $30 and will include Fighter, Guardian, and Battloid modes (6 game pieces)
I want regular paper-and-pencil stats for it, damnit, not just board stats, before believing it's finally Palladium official(and that much of the original franchise has been cracked open to Palladium),
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To be turned over with the Flick of a Finger,
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Does anyone else get the Macross & VF-11 feeling from battloid mode?
I know it is a little extreme to advocate the death penalty for stupidity...but can't we just remove all the warning labels and let nature take it's course???
Damn it,Kevin, these had BETTER show up in some future 'Strike Force'-style or Zentraedi-centric supplement book for the regular RPG or I am so lodging a complaint!!!!
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"Trouble rather the Tiger in his Lair,
Than the Sage among his Books,
For all the Empires and Kingdoms,
The Armies and Works that you hold Dear,
Are to him but the Playthings of the Moment,
To be turned over with the Flick of a Finger,
And the Turning of a Page"
Damn it,Kevin, these had BETTER show up in some future 'Strike Force'-style or Zentraedi-centric supplement book for the regular RPG or I am so lodging a complaint!!!!
Seconded... however, I'm kinda -meh- about the non-canon Gerwalk and Battroid modes for the VF-4.
But yes... WANT PBOOK STATS! YESTERDAY! FOR ALL OF 'EM!
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I really hope these two don't come back to bite them in the rear for copyrights.
's long as the YF-4 has a different transformation from what Kawamori did in the years after the original series, that one is probably in the clear. The one that has me worried is the "Orguss Valkyrie", which is from another show entirely (and used during the original Macross series as an in-joke/homage to Studio Nue's next WIP, Super Dimension Century Orguss) that is not covered by Harmony Gold's licenses or owned by Tatsunoko.
Zer0 Kay wrote:Damn you for anticipating my question. I've really got to unfoe you, your information is far more valuable than my sanity when dealing with your blunt callousness.
Damn it,Kevin, these had BETTER show up in some future 'Strike Force'-style or Zentraedi-centric supplement book for the regular RPG or I am so lodging a complaint!!!!
I really hope these two don't come back to bite them in the rear for copyrights.
's long as the YF-4 has a different transformation from what Kawamori did in the years after the original series, that one is probably in the clear. The one that has me worried is the "Orguss Valkyrie", which is from another show entirely (and used during the original Macross series as an in-joke/homage to Studio Nue's next WIP, Super Dimension Century Orguss) that is not covered by Harmony Gold's licenses or owned by Tatsunoko.
I think HG and PB are in the clear because the Orguss shows up in the original 85 episodes.
As others have said I'd like to see stats for all these 'experimental mecha'. Of course I already have VF-4's and Orguss' in my game.
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Damn it,Kevin, these had BETTER show up in some future 'Strike Force'-style or Zentraedi-centric supplement book for the regular RPG or I am so lodging a complaint!!!!
Yes, i saw that too.......RPG STATS NOW!!!!
Not gonna happen any time soon. Guarantee you that.
Damn it,Kevin, these had BETTER show up in some future 'Strike Force'-style or Zentraedi-centric supplement book for the regular RPG or I am so lodging a complaint!!!!
Yes, i saw that too.......RPG STATS NOW!!!!
Not gonna happen any time soon. Guarantee you that.
Damn it,Kevin, these had BETTER show up in some future 'Strike Force'-style or Zentraedi-centric supplement book for the regular RPG or I am so lodging a complaint!!!!
Yes, i saw that too.......RPG STATS NOW!!!!
Not gonna happen any time soon. Guarantee you that.
jedi078 wrote:I think HG and PB are in the clear because the Orguss shows up in the original 85 episodes.
They might be... then again, they might not be. Harmony Gold's access to the material in the series is not unlimited. Just because it appears in the animation does not, in point of fact, mean they can legally use that design. The "experimental battloid" may be a problem because it's a design from another show entirely.
Zer0 Kay wrote:Damn you for anticipating my question. I've really got to unfoe you, your information is far more valuable than my sanity when dealing with your blunt callousness.
jedi078 wrote:I think HG and PB are in the clear because the Orguss shows up in the original 85 episodes.
They might be... then again, they might not be. Harmony Gold's access to the material in the series is not unlimited. Just because it appears in the animation does not, in point of fact, mean they can legally use that design. The "experimental battloid" may be a problem because it's a design from another show entirely.
If HG could not legally use the design then screen shots where the mecha is seen would have had to be removed from the animation. Now the last time I checked those screen shots are in both the Legacy and Protoculture edition of the animation.
Also I'm pretty sure that HG had to approve of all of the minis Palladium wanted to introduce before the kick starter even began.
Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem". Ronald Reagan, President of the United States; 1985
Where do you people get all this disposable income?!!!! I barely scrape by on two jobs and I read of people pledging what are to me OBSCENE amounts of money for a box-game! Not criticizing(really, I'm in no position to), but just boggled.
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Than the Sage among his Books,
For all the Empires and Kingdoms,
The Armies and Works that you hold Dear,
Are to him but the Playthings of the Moment,
To be turned over with the Flick of a Finger,
And the Turning of a Page"
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Psh, if it wasn't for obscene amounts of disposable income, there wouldn't be a tabletop miniature wargames industry, or at least not one as we know it.
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jedi078 wrote:I think HG and PB are in the clear because the Orguss shows up in the original 85 episodes.
They might be... then again, they might not be. Harmony Gold's access to the material in the series is not unlimited. Just because it appears in the animation does not, in point of fact, mean they can legally use that design. The "experimental battloid" may be a problem because it's a design from another show entirely.
If HG could not legally use the design then screen shots where the mecha is seen would have had to be removed from the animation. Now the last time I checked those screen shots are in both the Legacy and Protoculture edition of the animation.
Also I'm pretty sure that HG had to approve of all of the minis Palladium wanted to introduce before the kick starter even began.
I agree, HG likely is involved in the approval process.
How close is the Orgus proper to the SDF:M/RT:TMS sighted version? Aside from the paint job I mean. Are there enough differences that they could do it? And/Or enough interpretive differences that they could do it?
I spent a few minutes studying the Orgus design and the TMS version, there are noticeable differences: -no back head cover -no "coat tails" on the hips -upper legs appear to have differences -left arm in screen captures, looks like it could be taken as modeled after the Phalanx Drum -I don't see anything on the hips (like the Armored Battloid) that comes up in some images (and a single central dorsal FAST pack booster).
I assume there will be a big old sourcebook coming soon for the RPG detailing the Experimental Mecha to add to the game? Maybe a Sentinels-related book?
taalismn wrote:Where do you people get all this disposable income?!!!! I barely scrape by on two jobs and I read of people pledging what are to me OBSCENE amounts of money for a box-game! Not criticizing(really, I'm in no position to), but just boggled.
Simple:
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ShadowLogan wrote:I spent a few minutes studying the Orgus design and the TMS version, there are noticeable differences: -no back head cover -no "coat tails" on the hips -upper legs appear to have differences -left arm in screen captures, looks like it could be taken as modeled after the Phalanx Drum -I don't see anything on the hips (like the Armored Battloid) that comes up in some images (and a single central dorsal FAST pack booster).
Really, the Macross 'Orguss' only shares coloration, the arm/gunshield. and a general loving of curved plates. Other than that, it's an Armored VF-1A with a single SuperValk thuster pod tacked on.
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"Trouble rather the Tiger in his Lair,
Than the Sage among his Books,
For all the Empires and Kingdoms,
The Armies and Works that you hold Dear,
Are to him but the Playthings of the Moment,
To be turned over with the Flick of a Finger,
And the Turning of a Page"
I assume there will be a big old sourcebook coming soon for the RPG detailing the Experimental Mecha to add to the game? Maybe a Sentinels-related book?
There had better be....
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"Trouble rather the Tiger in his Lair,
Than the Sage among his Books,
For all the Empires and Kingdoms,
The Armies and Works that you hold Dear,
Are to him but the Playthings of the Moment,
To be turned over with the Flick of a Finger,
And the Turning of a Page"
I assume there will be a big old sourcebook coming soon for the RPG detailing the Experimental Mecha to add to the game? Maybe a Sentinels-related book?
There had better be....
Not coming soon. Look at how late the Marines books are. They should have included stats with the new mecha.
Kev mentioned a 'Zentraedi Sourcebook' being in the works alongside the UEEF marine books in the last gateway to the megaverse podcast. since aside from the Starships there isn't much Canon stuff left from the show to cover, i suspect some of the Zentraedi 'experimental' mecha will appear there as uncommon/rare units.
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glitterboy2098 wrote:Kev mentioned a 'Zentraedi Sourcebook' being in the works alongside the UEEF marine books in the last gateway to the megaverse podcast. since aside from the Starships there isn't much Canon stuff left from the show to cover, i suspect some of the Zentraedi 'experimental' mecha will appear there as uncommon/rare units.
Zentraedi book as in the series stuff or as in the Zentraedi of the UEEF? Considering the references in the Bioroid Interceptor write up I have been hoping for the Sentinels battlepods to show up.
I know it is a little extreme to advocate the death penalty for stupidity...but can't we just remove all the warning labels and let nature take it's course???
it was just a name drop when he mentioned books in the pipeline for robotech, so no idea. sounded like a Macross era book though, the way he separated it from the 'UEEF books'
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jedi078 wrote:If HG could not legally use the design then screen shots where the mecha is seen would have had to be removed from the animation. Now the last time I checked those screen shots are in both the Legacy and Protoculture edition of the animation.
Also I'm pretty sure that HG had to approve of all of the minis Palladium wanted to introduce before the kick starter even began.
I agree, HG likely is involved in the approval process.
It's worth remembering, at this juncture, that Harmony Gold's rights to the animation itself and their rights to the contents therein are different, and there are some fairly strict limitations on what they can do. Even if Harmony Gold is involved in the approvals process, it wouldn't be the first time they'd made significant mistakes regarding what they can and can't do.
Zer0 Kay wrote:Damn you for anticipating my question. I've really got to unfoe you, your information is far more valuable than my sanity when dealing with your blunt callousness.
ShadowLogan wrote:I spent a few minutes studying the Orgus design and the TMS version, there are noticeable differences: -no back head cover -no "coat tails" on the hips -upper legs appear to have differences -left arm in screen captures, looks like it could be taken as modeled after the Phalanx Drum -I don't see anything on the hips (like the Armored Battloid) that comes up in some images (and a single central dorsal FAST pack booster).
Really, the Macross 'Orguss' only shares coloration, the arm/gunshield. and a general loving of curved plates. Other than that, it's an Armored VF-1A with a single SuperValk thuster pod tacked on.
There is not thruster-pod in the animation, that comes from line-art that has become associated with the design. The lineart also has VF-1 style leg intake covers, but the animation has it closer to the Armored battloid ("Miss Macross"), those would be the two biggest features where they differ.
The "Orguss" is only in a few episodes as background filler. In Ep36/37 (recycled for flashback) it is on the SDF-1 deck during Khyron's ramming attack, similar position as it appears in space earlier (want to say in FoA).
glitterboy2098 wrote:Kev mentioned a 'Zentraedi Sourcebook' being in the works alongside the UEEF marine books in the last gateway to the megaverse podcast. since aside from the Starships there isn't much Canon stuff left from the show to cover, i suspect some of the Zentraedi 'experimental' mecha will appear there as uncommon/rare units.
Zentraedi book as in the series stuff or as in the Zentraedi of the UEEF? Considering the references in the Bioroid Interceptor write up I have been hoping for the Sentinels battlepods to show up.
Yes. So have I. I loved those designs.
Years ago, my friends and I ran probably the funnest campaign we ever took part in. Which was a Sentinals campaign where all the players were Zentraedi. There were about 5 of us all used the REF Battle pods (one officer, four regular, and one full sized, who used a Queadluun Rau). We eventually came up with light and heavy artillery REF Pod designs to mirror the old pods with missiles. I have very fond memories of that campaign, nothing so far has compared to running around the galaxy with a Zentraedi crew. I would love to see the REF pods back. Only this time with a missile and recon variant as well.
As far as UEDF, I'm all for a VF-4. I always loved the look of that one!
honestly, i'd love for those pods to show back up. personally though i don't want them as 'micronian' mecha.. having them as a replacement for Regult battlepods, piloted by full sized zent's would be much more interesting i think.
maybe armor on par with the Gluag, and the weapons off the Regult. built to replace the original Regult's which were deemed too fragile for production.
that said, i don't thing the two pods from the old RPG really fit together.. the Z-1 looks very Zentraedi.. but the Z-2 looks way too clunky to be UEEF, and too angular ot be Zentraedi..
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glitterboy2098 wrote:honestly, i'd love for those pods to show back up. personally though i don't want them as 'micronian' mecha.. having them as a replacement for Regult battlepods, piloted by full sized zent's would be much more interesting i think.
Well they do show up in Sentinels as aggressor mecha when jack Baker was in a training simulation.
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glitterboy2098 wrote:honestly, i'd love for those pods to show back up. personally though i don't want them as 'micronian' mecha.. having them as a replacement for Regult battlepods, piloted by full sized zent's would be much more interesting i think.
Well they do show up in Sentinels as aggressor mecha when jack Baker was in a training simulation.
in training, the US military generally gives their red force the same specs as US army gear, even when simulating a force that should have inferior hardware. this makes the training tougher, and helps ensure unexpected improvements in enemy tech don't catch our troops off guard. (plus it means they can use US hardware in the red force, making simulation and exercises simpler)
no reason the UEEF couldn't do the same. i just think the old RPG's logic doesn't work in the new edition.. the UEEF doesn't micronize all their zents right off, and when they do they have no qualms about running those zents through a retraining program and putting them into Veritechs, Battloids, and Cyclones.. something the old RPG had the REF afraid to do.
so it makes more sense that a new Battlepod designed by the UEEF would be to replace the more fragile Zent hardware used by the full sized zent's.. a Regult replacement as tough as a Gluag for example, but using the same weapons as a Regult would improve survivability while retaining existing logistics.
such a program might be a good place for the old Zaria MPA as well..
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glitterboy2098 wrote:honestly, i'd love for those pods to show back up. personally though i don't want them as 'micronian' mecha.. having them as a replacement for Regult battlepods, piloted by full sized zent's would be much more interesting i think.
maybe armor on par with the Gluag, and the weapons off the Regult. built to replace the original Regult's which were deemed too fragile for production.
that said, i don't thing the two pods from the old RPG really fit together.. the Z-1 looks very Zentraedi.. but the Z-2 looks way too clunky to be UEEF, and too angular ot be Zentraedi..
The problem with this is...and it was referenced I believe in the Sentinels book...the logistics / cost of an army of giants would be too high for the REF/UEEF to afford.
I also like the idea of a mercenary / freedom fighter type being able to use them on invid occupied earth.
I know it is a little extreme to advocate the death penalty for stupidity...but can't we just remove all the warning labels and let nature take it's course???
see the fluff for the Bioroid Interceptor. the UEEF kept full size Zent's around until attrition brought the numbers down too much. then they micronized them and assigned them human gear.
and in the old RPG it wasn't logistics that forced the adoption of the micronized pods, it was distrust of zen't with higher powered mecha like VF's.. see the fluff for those old pods and the Zentraedi assualt battloid
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glitterboy2098 wrote:honestly, i'd love for those pods to show back up. personally though i don't want them as 'micronian' mecha.. having them as a replacement for Regult battlepods, piloted by full sized zent's would be much more interesting i think.
Well they do show up in Sentinels as aggressor mecha when jack Baker was in a training simulation.
in training, the US military generally gives their red force the same specs as US army gear, even when simulating a force that should have inferior hardware. this makes the training tougher, and helps ensure unexpected improvements in enemy tech don't catch our troops off guard. (plus it means they can use US hardware in the red force, making simulation and exercises simpler)
no reason the UEEF couldn't do the same. i just think the old RPG's logic doesn't work in the new edition.. the UEEF doesn't micronize all their zents right off, and when they do they have no qualms about running those zents through a retraining program and putting them into Veritechs, Battloids, and Cyclones.. something the old RPG had the REF afraid to do.
so it makes more sense that a new Battlepod designed by the UEEF would be to replace the more fragile Zent hardware used by the full sized zent's.. a Regult replacement as tough as a Gluag for example, but using the same weapons as a Regult would improve survivability while retaining existing logistics.
such a program might be a good place for the old Zaria MPA as well..
I was pointing out that with them being used as aggressor mecha they could have actually been the intended replacements for the standard Regult and Gulag (the uRRG makes the same hypothesis), and thus agreeing with you that they could be meant for full size Zents.
glitterboy2098 wrote:see the fluff for the Bioroid Interceptor. the UEEF kept full size Zent's around until attrition brought the numbers down too much. then they micronized them and assigned them human gear.
In my RPG games I have a cache of the mecha found on the Robotech Factory captured in 2013 the UEDF/UEEF. This gives the UEEF to the full size model which was used by loyal full size Zentraedi.
glitterboy2098 wrote:and in the old RPG it wasn't logistics that forced the adoption of the micronized pods, it was distrust of zen't with higher powered mecha like VF's.. see the fluff for those old pods and the Zentraedi assault battloid
Going further, and playing along with the trojan horse idea from Sentinels the UEEF built their own variants of the pods which are a bit smaller and made for micronized Zentraedi troops. These would be the 'stripped' down variants as seen in the 1E Sentinels books, but later upgraded to the fully armored and armed variants with missiles.
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re: REF Battlepods Are use sure those mecha actually exist and aren't something designed specifically for those holographic simulations as stand-ins?
glitterboy2098 wrote:see the fluff for the Bioroid Interceptor. the UEEF kept full size Zent's around until attrition brought the numbers down too much. then they micronized them and assigned them human gear.
They kept the full-size Zentraedi mecha around yes, but I don't get the impression those mecha where piloted by giants going off the BI's fluff. They don't mention micronizing the Zentraedi to fit into the human mecha as the giant-mecha supply was being exhausted. The first paragraph even mentions the UEEF left with micronized Zentraedi.
"When the Expeditionary Force's Pioneer Mission left for Tirol, among their ranks were numerous micronized Zentraedi."-pg122 TSC Manga. No mention is made of giants. Next paragraph mention "Throughout the first part of the journey, the Zentraedi had to make do with Fighter Pods and Battlepods to partake in the defense of the Expeditionary fleet. By the time the fleet had reached Tirol precious few of either of these mecha remained, and Zentraedi pilots were squeezing into Alphas and Betas to fight, designs the aliens did not feel comfortable piloting."
ShadowLogan wrote:re: REF Battlepods Are use sure those mecha actually exist and aren't something designed specifically for those holographic simulations as stand-ins?
glitterboy2098 wrote:see the fluff for the Bioroid Interceptor. the UEEF kept full size Zent's around until attrition brought the numbers down too much. then they micronized them and assigned them human gear.
They kept the full-size Zentraedi mecha around yes, but I don't get the impression those mecha where piloted by giants going off the BI's fluff. They don't mention micronizing the Zentraedi to fit into the human mecha as the giant-mecha supply was being exhausted. The first paragraph even mentions the UEEF left with micronized Zentraedi.
"When the Expeditionary Force's Pioneer Mission left for Tirol, among their ranks were numerous micronized Zentraedi."-pg122 TSC Manga. No mention is made of giants. Next paragraph mention "Throughout the first part of the journey, the Zentraedi had to make do with Fighter Pods and Battlepods to partake in the defense of the Expeditionary fleet. By the time the fleet had reached Tirol precious few of either of these mecha remained, and Zentraedi pilots were squeezing into Alphas and Betas to fight, designs the aliens did not feel comfortable piloting."
That's the thing...they are vague on that point...were they full sized pods or new built for human pilots? They just say pods and as the pods started being destroyed the Zentraedi were squeezing into alphas and betas.
Which raises another question....why would you develop a mecha without a means to have spare parts around.
I know it is a little extreme to advocate the death penalty for stupidity...but can't we just remove all the warning labels and let nature take it's course???
@Chris You are right they are being vague about the Pods the UEEF Zent. use. I think though it is implied they are using retrofits of the old mecha for human-size crews since they are losing mecha and not able to replace them.
probably not. the YF-4 was supposed to be a failed program. but IMO the the Conbat fighter was probably an attempt to salvage the program, taking the data and rough design of the fighter mode (which by HG fluff, was he least buggy mode), and making a monoform space superiority fighter from it.
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Actually, the fluff Robotech.com: "Despite breathtaking performance due to the latest advances in Robotechnology, its staggering cost and complexity prevented it from entering mass production as the mainstay fighter of the Robotech Expeditionary Force."
So if you want to use the only YF-4 data for Robotech I'm aware of, it didn't enter mass-production and become the mainstay fighter, but it had "breathtaking performance", which means a limited run or two for the early Expeditionary Forces is far from out of the question, a pilot's dream and mechanic's nightmare.
I wouldn't be against adding a few myself if I ran that setting.
"Cuando amanece se van a inflictir, duros castigos y oscuros tormentos, a los que ni quieren ni dejan vivir" -'Posada de los Muertos'
how many of you will add a few Wings of VF-4's to the UEEF's fighter corps if you run a Sentinels campaign?
I have them in use as early as 2013 in my Macross era game. Most of the squadrons are in space but a few are Earth side.
Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem". Ronald Reagan, President of the United States; 1985
That better not happen.
