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Nekira Sudacne wrote:It should be heavily effected by weather or not anyone in the party has the Barter skill.

Blue_Lion wrote:The BM will pay as little as they think they can and get what they want and charge as much as they think they can and get the sales they want. Skills like barter may help. Athou I find it a little anoying when GM focus to much on making players roleplay the barter skill when the player himself lacks the skill. Having people roleplay 15 min of interaction on every sale can be a real drag. Pluss you are leaving all players not participating beeing left out. Athou I do feel roleplaying is important over focus on acting out a social skill not common in the US and thus most people do not know how to do it right. Not to mention part of the skill is reading the reaction and intent of the other person. Instead get a general idea of what they want to say and roll the skill works better for me. There are better times to focus on roll playing than recharging your e-clips or selling junk. Interaction with key npc for 1 or party members or reacting to the plot or sub plots.

flatline wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:It should be heavily effected by weather or not anyone in the party has the Barter skill.

Barter? Never heard of it...

Here it is:
RUE p304: "Restriction: available only to Adventurer & Scholar OCCs"

Say what?

--flatline

Panomas wrote:I don't have the BM but I would like to add something-

I found that when players are purchasing weapons that this is a good time to utilize the game shield. If I should decide that the potential seller (I believe there was a 30% chance) was not all together reputable and or the players were deciding the purchase of something from someone they had no previous experience with; I (not the players) would do the roll under weapon quality. I felt this was a realistic way; for the players could not be altogether certain what they had purchased was on par for what they had paid. Also they started working together on this (everyone giving the weapon or item the eyeball) before purchasing. The flaw to the weapon was usually not that extreme and/or repairable.

Exchange rates were a challenge...Though I sometimes implemented a barter system rather than a credit system. Isolated Kingdoms and societies would not be sharing a credit exchange. Yes I know how it's presented but to me it just doesn't make much sense.

dragonfett wrote:Don't forget that items that are not in good shape do not command as much money. I want to say the there is a chart for how much the BM will pay for armor/power armor/robot vehicles based on how much MDC it still has left in it's various locations.

flatline wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:It should be heavily effected by weather or not anyone in the party has the Barter skill.

Barter? Never heard of it...

Here it is:
RUE p304: "Restriction: available only to Adventurer & Scholar OCCs"

Say what?

--flatline

Dunia wrote:You can see the canon list of what BM pays for stuff in:

Black Market Sourcebook, pages: 106-108

Rifts Main Book 1, page 205-209

Zamion138 wrote:Yeah barter is far over looked.

For the blackmarket we have always said that what in short is worth the most ...ie war zones armor and arms are worth more than preRifts books.
Or areas low on food or ina drought then food and water become a premium and so on.

As for roleplaying i dont make players play out getting gas and food and basics but if you want a shiny mecha then for a good price you better rp it.

flatline wrote:

Zamion138 wrote:Yeah barter is far over looked.

For the blackmarket we have always said that what in short is worth the most ...ie war zones armor and arms are worth more than preRifts books.
Or areas low on food or ina drought then food and water become a premium and so on.

As for roleplaying i dont make players play out getting gas and food and basics but if you want a shiny mecha then for a good price you better rp it.

We once had a campaign where a character wanted some specific power armor and the BM quoted us some price. We raised the money and when we went back for the armor, they doubled the asking price. The character was pretty angry, but this is what happens when criminals have what you want and know that you can't get it anywhere else. It wasn't worth the new asking price, so we just didn't get the armor he wanted.

I don't remember ever having trouble getting or selling smaller stuff.

--flatline

boxee wrote:

flatline wrote:

Zamion138 wrote:Yeah barter is far over looked.

For the blackmarket we have always said that what in short is worth the most ...ie war zones armor and arms are worth more than preRifts books.
Or areas low on food or ina drought then food and water become a premium and so on.

As for roleplaying i dont make players play out getting gas and food and basics but if you want a shiny mecha then for a good price you better rp it.

We once had a campaign where a character wanted some specific power armor and the BM quoted us some price. We raised the money and when we went back for the armor, they doubled the asking price. The character was pretty angry, but this is what happens when criminals have what you want and know that you can't get it anywhere else. It wasn't worth the new asking price, so we just didn't get the armor he wanted.

I don't remember ever having trouble getting or selling smaller stuff.

--flatline

Shoot him in the head and ask the second in command what the price is, rinse repeat as required......

Blue_Lion wrote:

boxee wrote:

flatline wrote:

Zamion138 wrote:Yeah barter is far over looked.

For the blackmarket we have always said that what in short is worth the most ...ie war zones armor and arms are worth more than preRifts books.
Or areas low on food or ina drought then food and water become a premium and so on.

As for roleplaying i dont make players play out getting gas and food and basics but if you want a shiny mecha then for a good price you better rp it.

We once had a campaign where a character wanted some specific power armor and the BM quoted us some price. We raised the money and when we went back for the armor, they doubled the asking price. The character was pretty angry, but this is what happens when criminals have what you want and know that you can't get it anywhere else. It wasn't worth the new asking price, so we just didn't get the armor he wanted.

I don't remember ever having trouble getting or selling smaller stuff.

--flatline

Shoot him in the head and ask the second in command what the price is, rinse repeat as required......

Have you seen the cover of the black market book? This only works when you are the bad guys/crimnals but they already have that job. You pull a stunt like that on the BM well lets just say it will not be the smartest thing you ever done. But hey not like you have to live with it.

boxee wrote:

Blue_Lion wrote:

boxee wrote:

flatline wrote:

Zamion138 wrote:Yeah barter is far over looked.

For the blackmarket we have always said that what in short is worth the most ...ie war zones armor and arms are worth more than preRifts books.
Or areas low on food or ina drought then food and water become a premium and so on.

As for roleplaying i dont make players play out getting gas and food and basics but if you want a shiny mecha then for a good price you better rp it.

We once had a campaign where a character wanted some specific power armor and the BM quoted us some price. We raised the money and when we went back for the armor, they doubled the asking price. The character was pretty angry, but this is what happens when criminals have what you want and know that you can't get it anywhere else. It wasn't worth the new asking price, so we just didn't get the armor he wanted.

I don't remember ever having trouble getting or selling smaller stuff.

--flatline

Shoot him in the head and ask the second in command what the price is, rinse repeat as required......

Have you seen the cover of the black market book? This only works when you are the bad guys/crimnals but they already have that job. You pull a stunt like that on the BM well lets just say it will not be the smartest thing you ever done. But hey not like you have to live with it.

There is a reason people in that kind of buiness have "honor" or the appearence of honor. People will do this if they feel they are being $^%^%&^ed. Think about it, this kind of stuff happens. Now if the guy had say added +10% that would be reasonable, and likely the players could have paid it.

AND yes the BM might seek revenge, but also you kill the top guy and everyone gets promoted....

boxee wrote:

Blue_Lion wrote:

boxee wrote:

flatline wrote:

Zamion138 wrote:Yeah barter is far over looked.

For the blackmarket we have always said that what in short is worth the most ...ie war zones armor and arms are worth more than preRifts books.
Or areas low on food or ina drought then food and water become a premium and so on.

As for roleplaying i dont make players play out getting gas and food and basics but if you want a shiny mecha then for a good price you better rp it.

We once had a campaign where a character wanted some specific power armor and the BM quoted us some price. We raised the money and when we went back for the armor, they doubled the asking price. The character was pretty angry, but this is what happens when criminals have what you want and know that you can't get it anywhere else. It wasn't worth the new asking price, so we just didn't get the armor he wanted.

I don't remember ever having trouble getting or selling smaller stuff.

--flatline

Shoot him in the head and ask the second in command what the price is, rinse repeat as required......

Have you seen the cover of the black market book? This only works when you are the bad guys/crimnals but they already have that job. You pull a stunt like that on the BM well lets just say it will not be the smartest thing you ever done. But hey not like you have to live with it.

There is a reason people in that kind of buiness have "honor" or the appearence of honor. People will do this if they feel they are being $^%^%&^ed. Think about it, this kind of stuff happens. Now if the guy had say added +10% that would be reasonable, and likely the players could have paid it.

AND yes the BM might seek revenge, but also you kill the top guy and everyone gets promoted....

Dunia wrote:A somewhat related question, do people (CS, general people or mercs) actually know that Bandido Arms is part of Black market. In my campaign, I am downplaying this as much as possible. So that most people do not know it.

boxee wrote:

flatline wrote:

Zamion138 wrote:Yeah barter is far over looked.

For the blackmarket we have always said that what in short is worth the most ...ie war zones armor and arms are worth more than preRifts books.
Or areas low on food or ina drought then food and water become a premium and so on.

As for roleplaying i dont make players play out getting gas and food and basics but if you want a shiny mecha then for a good price you better rp it.

We once had a campaign where a character wanted some specific power armor and the BM quoted us some price. We raised the money and when we went back for the armor, they doubled the asking price. The character was pretty angry, but this is what happens when criminals have what you want and know that you can't get it anywhere else. It wasn't worth the new asking price, so we just didn't get the armor he wanted.

I don't remember ever having trouble getting or selling smaller stuff.

--flatline

Shoot him in the head and ask the second in command what the price is, rinse repeat as required......

Dunia wrote:A somewhat related question, do people (CS, general people or mercs) actually know that Bandido Arms is part of Black market. In my campaign, I am downplaying this as much as possible. So that most people do not know it.

boxee wrote:Sounds like the GM was just being a turd.

flatline wrote:

boxee wrote:Sounds like the GM was just being a turd.

Maybe. I think he just wanted to use our need to do some serious fund raising as a hook for something, but we probably foiled that when we walked away from the deal.

--flatline

Blue_Lion wrote:

Dunia wrote:A somewhat related question, do people (CS, general people or mercs) actually know that Bandido Arms is part of Black market. In my campaign, I am downplaying this as much as possible. So that most people do not know it.

The idea I get is its kinda implied that there is a conection but not directly state. Probaly because they represent one of the main faimilies.

glitterboy2098 wrote:

Blue_Lion wrote:

Dunia wrote:A somewhat related question, do people (CS, general people or mercs) actually know that Bandido Arms is part of Black market. In my campaign, I am downplaying this as much as possible. So that most people do not know it.

The idea I get is its kinda implied that there is a conection but not directly state. Probaly because they represent one of the main faimilies.

i've generally figured Bandito Arms was just the most well known of the Grey Market companies. that all the different factions of the 'black market' have similar semi-legit businesses to help fund their more risky and less legal activities, and Bandito Arms just has more brand name recognition due to having a near monopoly in the New West.

Nightmask wrote:

glitterboy2098 wrote:

Blue_Lion wrote:

Dunia wrote:A somewhat related question, do people (CS, general people or mercs) actually know that Bandido Arms is part of Black market. In my campaign, I am downplaying this as much as possible. So that most people do not know it.

The idea I get is its kinda implied that there is a conection but not directly state. Probaly because they represent one of the main faimilies.

i've generally figured Bandito Arms was just the most well known of the Grey Market companies. that all the different factions of the 'black market' have similar semi-legit businesses to help fund their more risky and less legal activities, and Bandito Arms just has more brand name recognition due to having a near monopoly in the New West.

You know, reading this I just got the sudden thought with how Palladium's apparently writing 'The Black Market' as if it were a 'found everyone and all one connected company' to Pokemon with how you can always find a Nurse Joy and Officer Jenny wherever you go no matter how implausible or how big the handwave required for it.

glitterboy2098 wrote:the wonders of standardized Cybernetics..

but yeah, even with the recent book, 'the black market" is presented more as a centralized entity than in reality. in effect, the 'black market' organization in rifts has more in common with groups like the Mafia, the Triads, etc...

in real life it just refers to the import and sale of illegal goods and services. it is a concept not an organization.