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Nekira Sudacne wrote:I actually got the impression is he has his own Devine Realm (See dragons and gods) that he named hades. which is completely unrelated from the other hades.

bradshaw wrote:there was a thread a while ago that explained this fairly well called Hades and Hades. I'd link it but well you know.

Marrowlight wrote:

bradshaw wrote:there was a thread a while ago that explained this fairly well called Hades and Hades. I'd link it but well you know.

Did I miss something? 'cause unless this is some sorta "Teach a man how to fish" kinda thing...I don't actually know why you couldn't link it.

say652 wrote:isn't Hades realm Tartourous?, or how ever its spelled.

Pox wrote:While I haven't gone over the book with a fine-toothed comb, I do have to wonder:

How the Greek God Hades figures into this whole situation since considering in his own write-up in Conversion Book 2, it says he almost killed Succor-Bemoth for trespassing and commands "all the Hordes of Hades".

So how does he play into it all? Where is is kingdom (pocket dimension? Not mapped because it is Kinjiru to go there? etc.)? Is he just sitting back and let all the demons jack around with each other?

Thoughts?

I have some other Hades (the man not the place, and more specifically Persephone and their family) questions but that's another thread and another time.

say652 wrote:isn't Hades realm Tartourous?, or how ever its spelled.

Me, circa 2010 wrote:Basically the Realm of Hades, ruled by Hades the Greek Deity, which also contains the Inter-dimensional Prison of Tartarus, is a separate place from the Dimension of Hades, ruled by the Demon Lords, which contains an area also called Tartarus, though the Realm of Hades borders many demonic kingdoms that must be kept back...
...Huh.
At least that was what I thought until I sat down rereading things to answer.
What I'm now pondering is pure brick **** material.
It mentions Hades, the god, as so powerful few would dare challenge him, though he still had to be on guard for demonic attack and raids constantly, and in command of many things, including, and I quote, 'all the Hordes of Hades'. So I wonder what all that is and flip over to the referenced CB1 page, and find the underworld being named for its lord: Hades. So while I'm mulling that over I flip through the Hoards of Hades section and see many familiar Hades Demons.. including the Demon Lords and Modeus.
Then I flip back to Modeus in Hades and it all makes terrifying sense. Modeus is now so powerful in Hades that few would dare challenge him, and he commands all the Hordes of Hades.. all thanks to a little Book he wrested away from the previous Lord of Hades.
At this point I realized that a whole lot had been going on in the rest of the Megaverse during the passage of time from when CB1-2 came out until now, the last 7-8 years by the PA calendar alone has been pretty eventful. No reason the rest of the plots in the Megaverse wouldn't keep trucking along. No matter where Hade's Realm was located in Hades, he certainly cared more for his duties than about trying to be a ruler of demons, which the Omega Book made easy enough to keep them roughly in line while he went about his business, other than concerns about raids and attacks attempting to claim it for their own per the curse. Seems it was finally stolen away by Modeus to firmly cement himself as Lord even over other Demon Lords.
That leaves GMs to ponder the final fate of Hades and his personal Realm.. and his prisoners. Off hand, I would probably say that once the Book was acquired, there is a strong possibility of Demons vs the garrison of Hundred Handed and a fair amount of looting of treasures and magical items (which would go toward Minion War preparations), before a pull back and offer to allow Hades, the god, the opportunity to continue to watch his prison is relative peace if he does not meddle in their affairs. All and all, a good deal for Modeus not having to worry about those the gods of various pantheons would want sealed away, too much potential for rival powers being released and angry gods, and appeals to Hades' sense of duty. As for how Hades was able to lose the Book in the first place, there was that small matter of Freya, leaving the possibility for all kinds open of intra-pantheon conflict between Zeus and Hera, and conflict between the Olympians and the Norse.

Me, circa later in 2010 aka Ancient Times wrote:Evidence seems to show that there is one Hades, and that Modeus reached his current expanded power by wresting the Omega Book from the previous Lord of Hades. Around PA 101, Hades (the deity) was still Lord of the Hades, which was named for him, and could command all the hordes of Hades- which included Modeus, who, while a powerful Demon Lord, is not mentioned as having control of all the hordes of Hades or nearly the power. Cut to PA 109, Modeus is Lord of Hades, commands all the hordes of Hades, and now has this handy little book that make it all work.
How this change of events went down seems to be left to our imaginations.
I'd imagine the prison of Tartarus to be located deep beneath the region of Tartarus, particularly since Tartarus is often described classically as a literal underworld. I'd imagine attempts to sneak in would take you through the Sulfur Pits, or, even more dangerously, through the lowest reaches of the Pit of the Damned.

Modeus is now so powerful in Hades that few would dare challenge him, and he commands all the Hordes of Hades.. all thanks to a little Book he wrested away from the previous Lord of Hades.
At this point I realized that a whole lot had been going on in the rest of the Megaverse during the passage of time from when CB1-2 came out until now, the last 7-8 years by the PA calendar alone has been pretty eventful. No reason the rest of the plots in the Megaverse wouldn't keep trucking along. No matter where Hade's Realm was located in Hades, he certainly cared more for his duties than about trying to be a ruler of demons, which the Omega Book made easy enough to keep them roughly in line while he went about his business, other than concerns about raids and attacks attempting to claim it for their own per the curse. Seems it was finally stolen away by Modeus to firmly cement himself as Lord even over other Demon Lords.