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dragonfett wrote:Everyone I have ever heard of have all done it where 55% + 5% meant that the first level you take the skill (1st level for most skills), your skill percent would be 55% and any bonuses you get would apply to it. Then the next level it would go up by 5%.

The Oh So Amazing Nate wrote:So what you're saying Nightmask is that it can go either way. Adding the +5% at level 1 or not adding it until level 2. It all depends on the way the particular skill is written up and how closely edited the skill description is.

The Oh So Amazing Nate wrote:Not to start a side debate, but I thought it was pretty common knowledge that NPCs don't follow chargen rules

The Oh So Amazing Nate wrote:
If in the class description it lists +10% to a given skill, your character adds +10 to the starting skill percentage as a one time bonus.

In the skill description if a skill is listed as being 55% +5% per level, 55% is the starting base skill level and 5% the increment it increases when your character gains a level.

So in this case the character would start out with a base skill % of 65%, and gain 5% when he reached level 2. This is how I've always understood things to be.

Shawn Merrow wrote:Rifts Ultimate Edition has an example on page 300 under Skill Bonuses.

Swimming (50% +5%) with no O.C.C. bonuses starts at 50% at Level 2 it goes to 55%.

flatline wrote:If a skill is listed as 55% + 5% per level, it's my understanding that Kevin's intent was to have the skill start at 55 and increase by 5% for every level gain.

However, he choose a very poor way to express his intent. Anyone with math or physics training will naturally (and correctly) interpret "X + Y per level" to mean "X + Y * level". What he should have said is "X + Y per additional level" or something to make it clear that he intended the value to be "X + Y * (level - 1)".

But even so, I ignore Kevin's intent and go with "X + Y * level" since that's how my engineering training has taught me to interpret "X + Y per level".

--flatline

The Oh So Amazing Nate wrote:

flatline wrote:If a skill is listed as 55% + 5% per level, it's my understanding that Kevin's intent was to have the skill start at 55 and increase by 5% for every level gain.

However, he choose a very poor way to express his intent. Anyone with math or physics training will naturally (and correctly) interpret "X + Y per level" to mean "X + Y * level". What he should have said is "X + Y per additional level" or something to make it clear that he intended the value to be "X + Y * (level - 1)".

But even so, I ignore Kevin's intent and go with "X + Y * level" since that's how my engineering training has taught me to interpret "X + Y per level".

--flatline

That's a lot of words to say the +y per level should start at level 2. Lol

Adventus wrote:See Page 300 RUE for skill percentage rules.

flatline wrote:

Adventus wrote:See Page 300 RUE for skill percentage rules.

For those of us who don't have our books handy can you please provide the relevant quote?

--flatline

RUE wrote:For example: The Physical skill of
Swimming reads: Base Skill: 50% +5% per level of experience. This
means that a first level character without an O.C.C. bonus has a base
skill proficiency of 50%. At second level +5% is added to increase the
skill to 55%, at third level it increases to 60%, and so on. If a +10%
O.C.C. bonus was applicable, the base skill starts at 60% +5% per level
(i.e., 65% at second level, 70% at third, and so on).

Rimmerdal wrote:Is there a book that explains NPC generation in any official rules? I have no difficulty as it is..but there are some would be curious to read them.

Rimmerdal wrote:Is there a book that explains NPC generation in any official rules? I have no difficulty as it is..but there are some would be curious to read them.

Nightmask wrote:

Rimmerdal wrote:Is there a book that explains NPC generation in any official rules? I have no difficulty as it is..but there are some would be curious to read them.

I've never heard of any, the most I've seen is people in Q&A/FAQ asking about creating NPC and generally being told that for faceless NPC to just bare bones it, with fleshing out for more nameworthy characters like the Big Bad, a trusted NPC ally, etc. So presumably you're expect to create them like a PC while adding in whatever extras you feel like to round it out which can include just ignoring what you feel like ignoring (like making a 1st level LLW who has 5 times the normal starting PPE and expertise in piloting a Glitter Boy).

Adventus wrote:

Rimmerdal wrote:Is there a book that explains NPC generation in any official rules? I have no difficulty as it is..but there are some would be curious to read them.

Heroes Unlimited GM Guide.

Alrik Vas wrote:I don't allow skill increases. I just allow OCC bonuses, then they get to add the value of the an attribute that's related to the skill (PP for Prowl, PS for climb/swim, MA for Interrogation type skills, IQ Science/Lore etc, etc...)

You also don't get the IQ bonus to skills in my games.

However, at levels 3, 6, 9, 12 and 15, they add the % listed for increases you would normally get.

I know, i'm weird.

Killer Cyborg wrote:Rifts 22
In discussing OCC Skill bonuses:
The bonuses are the percentile numbers found in the parenthesis. The bonus is added to the base skill, indicating the superior level of expertise. For example, Computer Operation (+10%) means the cahracter is more knowledgeable in computers than the average hobbiest, so his skill proficiency is higher. Add the +10% to the base skill of 40%, for a total of 50%. At second level experience another 5% is added, making the skill 55%. At third level another 5% is added and so on.

Note that the base skill for Computer Operation is 40%.
Note that the "+5% per level" is not added until second level.

dragonfett wrote:Everyone I have ever heard of have all done it where 55% + 5% meant that the first level you take the skill (1st level for most skills), your skill percent would be 55% and any bonuses you get would apply to it. Then the next level it would go up by 5%.