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Post-New-Book-Afterglow:

Okay, somebody tell me the weight figures for the Behemoth Explorer and the Behemoth Super-Explorer are typos?
25 tons and 35 tons respectively does NOT seem realistic...Somebody maybe dropped a zero at the end?
Because the Bulldog Explorer is a lot smaller than the BE, and it weighs in at 24 tons.
Also, given that in Dinosaur Swamp, doesn't Lazlo commission a new Behemoth Explorer model from Titanworks? Yet NG1 claims that the BE is a NG product. Do they make that claim because they're the originators of the design, or because they've been producing copies the longest? In either case, having another manufacturer horning in on a design they claim as their own wouldn't sit well with them at all.

Wasn't the BE a pre-rifts design? Seems like anyone could make it at this point.

--flatline

flatline wrote:Wasn't the BE a pre-rifts design? Seems like anyone could make it at this point.

--flatline

I figured as much, too. Northern Gun's just been making copies longer than anybody else.

taalismn wrote:

flatline wrote:Wasn't the BE a pre-rifts design? Seems like anyone could make it at this point.

--flatline

I figured as much, too. Northern Gun's just been making copies longer than anybody else.

Its not like NG is to shy of making knock offs of good designs or visa versa for the other companies. I think NG is probably the primary producer of them but others make copies.

kaid wrote:

taalismn wrote:

flatline wrote:Wasn't the BE a pre-rifts design? Seems like anyone could make it at this point.

--flatline

I figured as much, too. Northern Gun's just been making copies longer than anybody else.

Its not like NG is to shy of making knock offs of good designs or visa versa for the other companies. I think NG is probably the primary producer of them but others make copies.

Not like there's any way to enforce patent law in Rifts.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:[

Not like there's any way to enforce patent law in Rifts.

Ninjas, dragon mercenaries, fully conversion cyborg shocktrooper legal aides, heavy artillery, summoned demons...there are scads of ways of enforcing it...just damn few that are PEACEFUL.

maybe NG are the ones that produce a specific variant of behemoth. the NG model is actually using lighter-than-air materials as filler in the legs or something to cut down on weight ^^

Shark_Force wrote:maybe NG are the ones that produce a specific variant of behemoth. the NG model is actually using lighter-than-air materials as filler in the legs or something to cut down on weight ^^

MDC Pipe cleaners and MDC construction paper...its the newest craze.

Rimmerdal wrote:

Shark_Force wrote:maybe NG are the ones that produce a specific variant of behemoth. the NG model is actually using lighter-than-air materials as filler in the legs or something to cut down on weight ^^

MDC Pipe cleaners and MDC construction paper...its the newest craze.

Chipwell is VINDICATED!!!!!


Oh, and don't forget the MDC balloons. This allows you to outsource some of your construction contracts to out-of-work party-favor balloon-animal folders.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

kaid wrote:

taalismn wrote:

flatline wrote:Wasn't the BE a pre-rifts design? Seems like anyone could make it at this point.

--flatline

I figured as much, too. Northern Gun's just been making copies longer than anybody else.

Its not like NG is to shy of making knock offs of good designs or visa versa for the other companies. I think NG is probably the primary producer of them but others make copies.

Not like there's any way to enforce patent law in Rifts.

LOL NG does. It's called 'Loss Prevention' and they're well armed, well paid and well motivated.

That entire "CS GOING **** ON THE NERAUNI" was NG sicking an entire nation on their competition. lol

I coulda swore while I was reading that I spotted a typo on one of the flamethrowers on one of the bots where it said "payload effectively unlimited" instead of "approx 48 blasts" like it should have. Couldn't find it again with a cursory search, but I'll look into it.

flatline wrote:Wasn't the BE a pre-rifts design? Seems like anyone could make it at this point.

--flatline

Yes, it is described as such in the original Rifts Main Book.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

kaid wrote:

taalismn wrote:

flatline wrote:Wasn't the BE a pre-rifts design? Seems like anyone could make it at this point.

--flatline

I figured as much, too. Northern Gun's just been making copies longer than anybody else.

Its not like NG is to shy of making knock offs of good designs or visa versa for the other companies. I think NG is probably the primary producer of them but others make copies.

Not like there's any way to enforce patent law in Rifts.

Hehe yup although funny thing is NG is really cautious about its red hawk design and one of its jet bike designs to the point if the CS begins making grumpy noises they will discontinue the lines. That is patent protection post apocalypse style have a big enough nation army where if somebody steals to much of your stuff you flatten them. After what CS did to new kenora and tolkeen NG is very concious of the CS concept of patent protection.

taalismn wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:[

Not like there's any way to enforce patent law in Rifts.

Ninjas, dragon mercenaries, fully conversion cyborg shocktrooper legal aides, heavy artillery, summoned demons...there are scads of ways of enforcing it...just damn few that are PEACEFUL.

Forgot to mention there is an actual NG occ the LPO officer who basically has this job. Protecting their intellectual property and to police abuses of the NG product line. They are basically james bond + special forces + agent smith rolled into one.

Pepsi Jedi wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

kaid wrote:

taalismn wrote:

flatline wrote:Wasn't the BE a pre-rifts design? Seems like anyone could make it at this point.

--flatline

I figured as much, too. Northern Gun's just been making copies longer than anybody else.

Its not like NG is to shy of making knock offs of good designs or visa versa for the other companies. I think NG is probably the primary producer of them but others make copies.

Not like there's any way to enforce patent law in Rifts.

LOL NG does. It's called 'Loss Prevention' and they're well armed, well paid and well motivated.

That entire "CS GOING **** ON THE NERAUNI" was NG sicking an entire nation on their competition. lol

Yea, and check out naruni wave 2 to see how that worked out for them. Sure, you can blow up individual competetitors, but that's really not the same thing.

popscythe wrote:I coulda swore while I was reading that I spotted a typo on one of the flamethrowers on one of the bots where it said "payload effectively unlimited" instead of "approx 48 blasts" like it should have. Couldn't find it again with a cursory search, but I'll look into it.

Would not surprise me. that C-27 Plasma cannon in RUE still has 488km range..so such errors do get over looked.

Rimmerdal wrote:

popscythe wrote:I coulda swore while I was reading that I spotted a typo on one of the flamethrowers on one of the bots where it said "payload effectively unlimited" instead of "approx 48 blasts" like it should have. Couldn't find it again with a cursory search, but I'll look into it.

Would not surprise me. that C-27 Plasma cannon in RUE still has 488km range..so such errors do get over looked.

I will have to check for the flame thrower ammo thing when I get my copy. I know in the prototype all the vehicle mounted flame throwers had specific ammo amounts listed.

kaid wrote:I will have to check for the flame thrower ammo thing when I get my copy. I know in the prototype all the vehicle mounted flame throwers had specific ammo amounts listed.

I think I was mistaken. At the time I thought I noticed it, I thought "that has to be a typo, payload essentially unlimited, all the other flamethrowers have an approximate number of blasts" so I went to look at the other flamethrowers in the book to confirm, wrote it off as a typo and forgot which one it was. Now I can't find it again! So either I was wrong or its a typo, but I'm not too worried about it.

There's a robot in the book with an MD flamethrower with 600 foot range. That's all I need to know.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Pepsi Jedi wrote:
LOL NG does. It's called 'Loss Prevention' and they're well armed, well paid and well motivated.

That entire "CS GOING **** ON THE NERAUNI" was NG sicking an entire nation on their competition. lol

Yea, and check out naruni wave 2 to see how that worked out for them. Sure, you can blow up individual competitors, but that's really not the same thing.

It worked out well for them on Earth. You have to dig it out in bits and pieces but it's referenced in both NG1 and BM. It 'worked'. The Naruni are pretty much kicked in the teeth on Rifts earth and it's a death sentence to get caught with their gear in NA by the CS. Not "lets take your gun and maybe kick your butt" like Wilks, but a "They've got NE stuff. VAPE UM! Type reaction.

NG put the CS on them and 'helped' them along. Yeah the Naruni Wave 2 book is a toy box, but they aren't exactly prominent, nor are they expanding hugely due to the 'other' weapons manufacturers blocking them out and the bounty on them. They've got the big show room in merc town but other than that, it worked out really well for NG and the CS. And NG got the CS to do the heavy lifting on it.

NW2 was a 'get paid book'. The Naruni aren't hurting in the galaxy, but on Rifts they're not one of the top. Infact they're more outlaw than the black market.

kaid wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

kaid wrote:

taalismn wrote:

flatline wrote:Wasn't the BE a pre-rifts design? Seems like anyone could make it at this point.

--flatline

I figured as much, too. Northern Gun's just been making copies longer than anybody else.

Its not like NG is to shy of making knock offs of good designs or visa versa for the other companies. I think NG is probably the primary producer of them but others make copies.

Not like there's any way to enforce patent law in Rifts.

Hehe yup although funny thing is NG is really cautious about its red hawk design and one of its jet bike designs to the point if the CS begins making grumpy noises they will discontinue the lines. That is patent protection post apocalypse style have a big enough nation army where if somebody steals to much of your stuff you flatten them. After what CS did to new kenora and tolkeen NG is very concious of the CS concept of patent protection.

What happened to New Kenora? I know it was the home of Wellington Industries and has been under the threat of Xits for a long time, but did the CS stomp NK to the ground? What book and when?

Pepsi Jedi wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Pepsi Jedi wrote:
LOL NG does. It's called 'Loss Prevention' and they're well armed, well paid and well motivated.

That entire "CS GOING **** ON THE NERAUNI" was NG sicking an entire nation on their competition. lol

Yea, and check out naruni wave 2 to see how that worked out for them. Sure, you can blow up individual competitors, but that's really not the same thing.

It worked out well for them on Earth. You have to dig it out in bits and pieces but it's referenced in both NG1 and BM. It 'worked'. The Naruni are pretty much kicked in the teeth on Rifts earth and it's a death sentence to get caught with their gear in NA by the CS. Not "lets take your gun and maybe kick your butt" like Wilks, but a "They've got NE stuff. VAPE UM! Type reaction.

NG put the CS on them and 'helped' them along. Yeah the Naruni Wave 2 book is a toy box, but they aren't exactly prominent, nor are they expanding hugely due to the 'other' weapons manufacturers blocking them out and the bounty on them. They've got the big show room in merc town but other than that, it worked out really well for NG and the CS. And NG got the CS to do the heavy lifting on it.

NW2 was a 'get paid book'. The Naruni aren't hurting in the galaxy, but on Rifts they're not one of the top. Infact they're more outlaw than the black market.

It "worked" in the sense that it destroyed a very minor investment on narunis part, but lets be realistic here: naruni conquers entire planets, the CS and NG combined wouldn't be a speed bump for them if they go all out on striking back. the fact that it worked is only true insofar that they ultimately caused so little damage naruni hasn't bothered to take the kids gloves off yet.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Pepsi Jedi wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Pepsi Jedi wrote:
LOL NG does. It's called 'Loss Prevention' and they're well armed, well paid and well motivated.

That entire "CS GOING **** ON THE NERAUNI" was NG sicking an entire nation on their competition. lol

Yea, and check out naruni wave 2 to see how that worked out for them. Sure, you can blow up individual competitors, but that's really not the same thing.

It worked out well for them on Earth. You have to dig it out in bits and pieces but it's referenced in both NG1 and BM. It 'worked'. The Naruni are pretty much kicked in the teeth on Rifts earth and it's a death sentence to get caught with their gear in NA by the CS. Not "lets take your gun and maybe kick your butt" like Wilks, but a "They've got NE stuff. VAPE UM! Type reaction.

NG put the CS on them and 'helped' them along. Yeah the Naruni Wave 2 book is a toy box, but they aren't exactly prominent, nor are they expanding hugely due to the 'other' weapons manufacturers blocking them out and the bounty on them. They've got the big show room in merc town but other than that, it worked out really well for NG and the CS. And NG got the CS to do the heavy lifting on it.

NW2 was a 'get paid book'. The Naruni aren't hurting in the galaxy, but on Rifts they're not one of the top. Infact they're more outlaw than the black market.

It "worked" in the sense that it destroyed a very minor investment on narunis part, but lets be realistic here: naruni conquers entire planets, the CS and NG combined wouldn't be a speed bump for them if they go all out on striking back. the fact that it worked is only true insofar that they ultimately caused so little damage naruni hasn't bothered to take the kids gloves off yet.

Ehh.. It worked from the Humans point of view. Yes. the Naruni are big dawgs in other parts of the universe. Rifts earth unique characteristics though, have it signed as a "neutral zone" by the big Big BIG powers in the universe though. A sort of (pardon the pun) Gentelman's agreement, that noone will take it over or try and claim it, or ALLLL The other big dogs out there would squish them like grapes. They see Earth as the Golden goose, that produces for all. If you mess with it, and inadvertantly kill the goose, those other powers kill you. Which is why the Sploog and such, yes, like the Naruni haven't just descended and claimed it.

Which is.... an aspect one wonders if Kevin remembers with the upcoming Megaverse in flames book. All the "Megaversal Super powers" Keep earth as this 'hands off area' but the Demons and Devils are going to hit it hard.

As for the Naurni it's actually worse than that. They know they got kicked off Earth and due to those Megaversal Super powers having declared it a no touchie place, they've ordered their people off the planet. If memory serves the Naurni that are there, are there in 'secret' from their own people and against orders.

taalismn wrote:Post-New-Book-Afterglow:

Okay, somebody tell me the weight figures for the Behemoth Explorer and the Behemoth Super-Explorer are typos?
25 tons and 35 tons respectively does NOT seem realistic...Somebody maybe dropped a zero at the end?
Because the Bulldog Explorer is a lot smaller than the BE, and it weighs in at 24 tons.
Also, given that in Dinosaur Swamp, doesn't Lazlo commission a new Behemoth Explorer model from Titanworks? Yet NG1 claims that the BE is a NG product. Do they make that claim because they're the originators of the design, or because they've been producing copies the longest? In either case, having another manufacturer horning in on a design they claim as their own wouldn't sit well with them at all.

um... um... OK, got it, eh hem...

Being that the EX series robots are "exploration" vehicles they are built with a plastisteel fiber compound alloy composition that is lighter than combat classification assault robots, vehicles and power armor metals and alloys which are often far more dense and durable and use different composition alloys for assembly. That's why the Behemoth Super-X states that it lacks armor. The EX series also has a ton of empty space in its bays and observation decks ...

At least that's what I would "try" to say.

On a more general errata line of concern...

The NG-303 got a damage reduction... in Merc Ops it did 5D6 on a ten round burst. In NG-1 it now does 4D6 for a ten round burst.

popscythe wrote:[

There's a robot in the book with an MD flamethrower with 600 foot range. That's all I need to know.

Because life is more exciting with flamethrowers.

taalismn wrote:Because life is more exciting with flamethrowers.

You got that right my friend! Woosh!

What happened to New Kenora? I know it was the home of Wellington Industries and has been under the threat of Xits for a long time, but did the CS stomp NK to the ground? What book and when?

The CS stomped them they told them to knock it off with the sea kings and the sky castles and eventually got to the point where they just saw them as to big of a threat for their tiny size so they just went in and bum rushed new kenora and took it over. Some of the survivors from new kenora fled down to mexico with some of the blueprints and plans and a big Chip on their shoulder so we may not have seen the last of them.

I believe it talked about this in the CS navy book or one of the CS war books or possibly in the aftermath book.

Also its I believe iron heart armaments not wellington I am pretty sure WI is based in the manistque imperium.

In regards to original post / poster; I'd figure either double the tonnage OR, as put-forth, just multiply the tonnage by 10.
Again it's the whole "didn't do the math / engineering" thing that ALL RPG's and / or sci-writers seem to have problems with. *shrug*
It's a quick enough fix...
OR if you want to go the handwavium route, the reason the Behemoths are so light for their size & function? Carbon-nano-tube and plas-steel construction.

Rimmerdal wrote:C-27 Plasma cannon in RUE still has 488km range..so such errors do get over looked.

Not an error. Don't underestimate CS tech.

Tor wrote:

Rimmerdal wrote:C-27 Plasma cannon in RUE still has 488km range..so such errors do get over looked.

Not an error. Don't underestimate CS tech.

Then why is it the only weapon the CS has with that kind of range other than missiles?

Tor wrote:

Rimmerdal wrote:C-27 Plasma cannon in RUE still has 488km range..so such errors do get over looked.

Not an error. Don't underestimate CS tech.

I don't think I've ever seen you post a joke before

--flatline

Tor wrote:

Rimmerdal wrote:C-27 Plasma cannon in RUE still has 488km range..so such errors do get over looked.

Not an error. Don't underestimate CS tech.

Indeed. They can overprice a toilet seat as well as the next large government military-industrial complex.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Tor wrote:

Rimmerdal wrote:C-27 Plasma cannon in RUE still has 488km range..so such errors do get over looked.

Not an error. Don't underestimate CS tech.

Then why is it the only weapon the CS has with that kind of range other than missiles?

It isn't. The C-29 on CWCpg93-94 has a range of 423km. Plasma rocks.

Tor wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Tor wrote:

Rimmerdal wrote:C-27 Plasma cannon in RUE still has 488km range..so such errors do get over looked.

Not an error. Don't underestimate CS tech.

Then why is it the only weapon the CS has with that kind of range other than missiles?

It isn't. The C-29 on CWCpg93-94 has a range of 423km. Plasma rocks.

And I am now gonna switch my game to Metric...
Though that has GOT to be a typo

Tor wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Tor wrote:

Rimmerdal wrote:C-27 Plasma cannon in RUE still has 488km range..so such errors do get over looked.

Not an error. Don't underestimate CS tech.

Then why is it the only weapon the CS has with that kind of range other than missiles?

It isn't. The C-29 on CWCpg93-94 has a range of 423km. Plasma rocks.

You do realize that makes it so you can hit a target in the southwestern corner of Connecticut from the White House?

The Beast wrote:You do realize that makes it so you can hit a target in the southwestern corner of Connecticut from the White House?

also some objects in low earth orbit ^^

Guys, he's joking.

Tor wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Tor wrote:

Rimmerdal wrote:C-27 Plasma cannon in RUE still has 488km range..so such errors do get over looked.

Not an error. Don't underestimate CS tech.

Then why is it the only weapon the CS has with that kind of range other than missiles?

It isn't. The C-29 on CWCpg93-94 has a range of 423km. Plasma rocks.

My Copy of RUE has the CR-1 with a range of 1.6m...

In this thread I have learned that converting to the metric system is a skill far beyond whoever writes weapon stats.

8 km = 5 miles

argos wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

kaid wrote:

taalismn wrote:

flatline wrote:Wasn't the BE a pre-rifts design? Seems like anyone could make it at this point.

--flatline

I figured as much, too. Northern Gun's just been making copies longer than anybody else.

Its not like NG is to shy of making knock offs of good designs or visa versa for the other companies. I think NG is probably the primary producer of them but others make copies.

Not like there's any way to enforce patent law in Rifts.

Tell that to Naruni Enterprises

Hehe yup naruni/ng/cs concept of patent protection involves high energy weapons and large combat mechs.