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Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

flatline wrote:
No offense, but Psi-stalkers are hardly a threat to anyone. Even with the "upgrade" they got from RUE.

--flatline

you keep thinking that buddy.

Morik wrote:What race/class/level are you?

It's hard to tell you to be worried about anything unless we have that bit of knowledge.

He won't benefit from his MDC transformation since I'm a squishy, too, and really, I'll never let him engage me in melee anyways if I have the choice.

Noon wrote:

He won't benefit from his MDC transformation since I'm a squishy, too, and really, I'll never let him engage me in melee anyways if I have the choice.

I'm not sure that's the case if you were using a firebolt spell.

If you were using a vibro blade, sure.

Noon wrote:

He won't benefit from his MDC transformation since I'm a squishy, too, and really, I'll never let him engage me in melee anyways if I have the choice.

I'm not sure that's the case if you were using a firebolt spell.

If you were using a vibro blade, sure.

flatline wrote:Forked from another thread:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

flatline wrote:
No offense, but Psi-stalkers are hardly a threat to anyone. Even with the "upgrade" they got from RUE.

--flatline

you keep thinking that buddy.

Perhaps you can convince me that I'm wrong, but from where I'm standing, a Psi-Stalker looks just like another squishy in armor with a rifle and some sensitive psionic powers.

In order to drain my PPE he must either kill me or "physically capture" me (RUE p 153) and then cut me, presumably after removing some of my armor. His abilities only make him marginally better at killing me than a regular trained human in MDC armor with a rifle and his special abilities can't be used against me until he's already captured me at which point I'm already at his mercy.

If he wants to feed, he can't be further away than 300' (RUE p154) which puts him well within reach of some of my more interesting spells.

He won't benefit from his MDC transformation since I'm a squishy, too, and really, I'll never let him engage me in melee anyways if I have the choice.

His sensing abilities, at best, can sense me casting magic at less than half a mile (600' + 100' per level, so at 15th level, either 2000' or 2100' depending on how you do your math) and his special senses become dulled or useless in exactly the places that I'm likely to be casting big spells that leave me drained (near ley lines and ley line nexuses). Unless he's already tracking me for some reason, the odds of a random psi-stalker being within range to sense me is pretty minimal in the wilderness, especially since they avoid ley lines.

Finally, I'm going to be surrounded by my allies who, unless I'm running with a particularly low powered crowd, are unlikely to be especially troubled by psi-stalkers.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm cautious of anyone with MD weapons and armor (especially in groups), but I just don't see psi-stalkers as being significantly more dangerous than than any other group of squishies with MD weapons and armor. The only possible exception is the rare psi-stalker with psi-nullifier abilities.

So what am I missing?

--flatline

Giant2005 wrote:Psi-Stalkers aren't very impressive on their own but keep in mind that they can only exist by killing people just like you on a regular basis - they have killed far more of your kind than you have of theirs.
They are very familiar with your capabilities and if they are out-matched, they will know it and adjust their tactics accordingly.
If one Psi-Stalker isn't confident he can beat you, he will wait in the shadows until his four friends arrive. If the 5 of them still don't think they can beat you, they will continue tailing you until their 15 other friends arrive.
A single Psi-Stalker doesn't have much of a chance against a mage but the mere fact that they aren't an extinct species is enough evidence to suggest they aren't stupid about it. Whenever you encounter Psi-Stalkers, you can be pretty certain that they have the advantage because they will make sure of it.

flatline wrote:Forked from another thread:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

flatline wrote:
No offense, but Psi-stalkers are hardly a threat to anyone. Even with the "upgrade" they got from RUE.

--flatline

you keep thinking that buddy.

Perhaps you can convince me that I'm wrong, but from where I'm standing, a Psi-Stalker looks just like another squishy in armor with a rifle and some sensitive psionic powers.

In order to drain my PPE he must either kill me or "physically capture" me (RUE p 153) and then cut me, presumably after removing some of my armor. His abilities only make him marginally better at killing me than a regular trained human in MDC armor with a rifle and his special abilities can't be used against me until he's already captured me at which point I'm already at his mercy.

If he wants to feed, he can't be further away than 300' (RUE p154) which puts him well within reach of some of my more interesting spells.

He won't benefit from his MDC transformation since I'm a squishy, too, and really, I'll never let him engage me in melee anyways if I have the choice.

His sensing abilities, at best, can sense me casting magic at less than half a mile (600' + 100' per level, so at 15th level, either 2000' or 2100' depending on how you do your math) and his special senses become dulled or useless in exactly the places that I'm likely to be casting big spells that leave me drained (near ley lines and ley line nexuses). Unless he's already tracking me for some reason, the odds of a random psi-stalker being within range to sense me is pretty minimal in the wilderness, especially since they avoid ley lines.

Finally, I'm going to be surrounded by my allies who, unless I'm running with a particularly low powered crowd, are unlikely to be especially troubled by psi-stalkers.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm cautious of anyone with MD weapons and armor (especially in groups), but I just don't see psi-stalkers as being significantly more dangerous than than any other group of squishies with MD weapons and armor. The only possible exception is the rare psi-stalker with psi-nullifier abilities.

So what am I missing?

--flatline

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

flatline wrote:Forked from another thread:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

flatline wrote:
No offense, but Psi-stalkers are hardly a threat to anyone. Even with the "upgrade" they got from RUE.

--flatline

you keep thinking that buddy.

Perhaps you can convince me that I'm wrong, but from where I'm standing, a Psi-Stalker looks just like another squishy in armor with a rifle and some sensitive psionic powers.

In order to drain my PPE he must either kill me or "physically capture" me (RUE p 153) and then cut me, presumably after removing some of my armor. His abilities only make him marginally better at killing me than a regular trained human in MDC armor with a rifle and his special abilities can't be used against me until he's already captured me at which point I'm already at his mercy.

If he wants to feed, he can't be further away than 300' (RUE p154) which puts him well within reach of some of my more interesting spells.

He won't benefit from his MDC transformation since I'm a squishy, too, and really, I'll never let him engage me in melee anyways if I have the choice.

His sensing abilities, at best, can sense me casting magic at less than half a mile (600' + 100' per level, so at 15th level, either 2000' or 2100' depending on how you do your math) and his special senses become dulled or useless in exactly the places that I'm likely to be casting big spells that leave me drained (near ley lines and ley line nexuses). Unless he's already tracking me for some reason, the odds of a random psi-stalker being within range to sense me is pretty minimal in the wilderness, especially since they avoid ley lines.

Finally, I'm going to be surrounded by my allies who, unless I'm running with a particularly low powered crowd, are unlikely to be especially troubled by psi-stalkers.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm cautious of anyone with MD weapons and armor (especially in groups), but I just don't see psi-stalkers as being significantly more dangerous than than any other group of squishies with MD weapons and armor. The only possible exception is the rare psi-stalker with psi-nullifier abilities.

So what am I missing?

--flatline

Well just because you see a couple infront of you doesn't mean they are the only ones, or they just have typical merc gear and that it, while you been discounting the threat infront of you, you overlook the other behind you and those tw weapons they have

Noon wrote:

He won't benefit from his MDC transformation since I'm a squishy, too, and really, I'll never let him engage me in melee anyways if I have the choice.

I'm not sure that's the case if you were using a firebolt spell.

If you were using a vibro blade, sure.

flatline wrote:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

flatline wrote:Forked from another thread:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

flatline wrote:
No offense, but Psi-stalkers are hardly a threat to anyone. Even with the "upgrade" they got from RUE.

--flatline

you keep thinking that buddy.

Perhaps you can convince me that I'm wrong, but from where I'm standing, a Psi-Stalker looks just like another squishy in armor with a rifle and some sensitive psionic powers.

In order to drain my PPE he must either kill me or "physically capture" me (RUE p 153) and then cut me, presumably after removing some of my armor. His abilities only make him marginally better at killing me than a regular trained human in MDC armor with a rifle and his special abilities can't be used against me until he's already captured me at which point I'm already at his mercy.

If he wants to feed, he can't be further away than 300' (RUE p154) which puts him well within reach of some of my more interesting spells.

He won't benefit from his MDC transformation since I'm a squishy, too, and really, I'll never let him engage me in melee anyways if I have the choice.

His sensing abilities, at best, can sense me casting magic at less than half a mile (600' + 100' per level, so at 15th level, either 2000' or 2100' depending on how you do your math) and his special senses become dulled or useless in exactly the places that I'm likely to be casting big spells that leave me drained (near ley lines and ley line nexuses). Unless he's already tracking me for some reason, the odds of a random psi-stalker being within range to sense me is pretty minimal in the wilderness, especially since they avoid ley lines.

Finally, I'm going to be surrounded by my allies who, unless I'm running with a particularly low powered crowd, are unlikely to be especially troubled by psi-stalkers.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm cautious of anyone with MD weapons and armor (especially in groups), but I just don't see psi-stalkers as being significantly more dangerous than than any other group of squishies with MD weapons and armor. The only possible exception is the rare psi-stalker with psi-nullifier abilities.

So what am I missing?

--flatline

Well just because you see a couple infront of you doesn't mean they are the only ones, or they just have typical merc gear and that it, while you been discounting the threat infront of you, you overlook the other behind you and those tw weapons they have

But that logic applies equally to anything, be it City Rats, CS troops, Psi-Stalkers, roving bands of uppity Rogue Scholars, or whatever. I'm still don't see how Psi-Stalkers are anything special in this regard.

--flatline

Blue_Lion wrote:

Noon wrote:

He won't benefit from his MDC transformation since I'm a squishy, too, and really, I'll never let him engage me in melee anyways if I have the choice.

I'm not sure that's the case if you were using a firebolt spell.

If you were using a vibro blade, sure.

Actualy giving the OCC skills and abilites I see it is verry likly that they can get close and engage you. Most likly by tracking and sneak up on you. Once they have you scent they can spot and track you and wait for the right time to attack. Nothing worse than getting atacked by a vibroblade wilding psistalker while you are on the can, or killing you on the sleep. Psi stalkers might not seam that impresive at first but to a mage they can be a real threat a psi-stalker working like Ridik slowly picking of mages one at a time then going into hiding.

dragonfett wrote:Can Psi-Stalkers turn into MDC beings if there is a supernatural creature in a group that the Psi-Stalker is fighting?

Also, Psi-Stalkers haven't survived this long feeding on JUST mages, but creatures of magic and supernatural creatures as well, as well as other things I am sure, plus I am sure that if push came to shove, they would feed off of a ley line to survive.

torjones wrote:

dragonfett wrote:Can Psi-Stalkers turn into MDC beings if there is a supernatural creature in a group that the Psi-Stalker is fighting?

Also, Psi-Stalkers haven't survived this long feeding on JUST mages, but creatures of magic and supernatural creatures as well, as well as other things I am sure, plus I am sure that if push came to shove, they would feed off of a ley line to survive.

Just how does one "Cut" a Ley Line so that the stalker can begin to feed?
Also, Just how much PPE is contained in that Ley Line for the Stalker to feed upon, once that line does get cut?
Does the stalker reduce only that one ley line to zero PPE or does he disrupt the entire web of lines that that particular line is connected to through the various nexus?

The above ridiculous and rhetorical questions aside, a stalker can only feed on PPE produced by creatures of magic or supernatural creatures, not ley lines. In order to feed, they must cut the victim, and drain all of their PPE. This is a problem for most mages, the whole being at zero PPE. The stalker can not choose to take only part of a creature's PPE, it's an all or nothing proposition.

Note: The Psi-Stalker can not feed on the PPE of beings who are not practitioners of magic, creatures of magic, psychic, or supernatural in nature. They can absorb mystic ley line energy in an emergency to stay alive, but it tastes bad, like sour milk, makes the Psi-Stalker nauseous (-1 on all combat bonuses for 1d6x10 minutes), and the ley line disrupts the character's senses.

torjones wrote:Just how does one "Cut" a Ley Line so that the stalker can begin to feed?

flatline wrote:In order to drain my PPE he must either kill me or "physically capture" me (RUE p 153) and then cut me, presumably after removing some of my armor. His abilities only make him marginally better at killing me than a regular trained human in MDC armor with a rifle and his special abilities can't be used against me until he's already captured me at which point I'm already at his mercy.

flatline wrote:He won't benefit from his MDC transformation since I'm a squishy, too, and really, I'll never let him engage me in melee anyways if I have the choice.

flatline wrote:So if I'm standing next to a psi-stalker and another psi-stalker 300' away blows my head off with a rifle, how is it that the sniper gets my PPE and not the psi-stalker standing right next to me?

According to RUE, the psi-stalker standing next to me can only get the excess that the sniper psi-stalker doesn't absorb.

I think the RUE write-up assumes that psi-stalkers always kill their prey close range.

--flatline

dragonfett wrote:

torjones wrote:

dragonfett wrote:Can Psi-Stalkers turn into MDC beings if there is a supernatural creature in a group that the Psi-Stalker is fighting?

Also, Psi-Stalkers haven't survived this long feeding on JUST mages, but creatures of magic and supernatural creatures as well, as well as other things I am sure, plus I am sure that if push came to shove, they would feed off of a ley line to survive.

Just how does one "Cut" a Ley Line so that the stalker can begin to feed?
Also, Just how much PPE is contained in that Ley Line for the Stalker to feed upon, once that line does get cut?
Does the stalker reduce only that one ley line to zero PPE or does he disrupt the entire web of lines that that particular line is connected to through the various nexus?

The above ridiculous and rhetorical questions aside, a stalker can only feed on PPE produced by creatures of magic or supernatural creatures, not ley lines. In order to feed, they must cut the victim, and drain all of their PPE. This is a problem for most mages, the whole being at zero PPE. The stalker can not choose to take only part of a creature's PPE, it's an all or nothing proposition.

Page 153 of the RUE, bottom of the page, right hand column:

Note: The Psi-Stalker can not feed on the PPE of beings who are not practitioners of magic, creatures of magic, psychic, or supernatural in nature. They can absorb mystic ley line energy in an emergency to stay alive, but it tastes bad, like sour milk, makes the Psi-Stalker nauseous (-1 on all combat bonuses for 1d6x10 minutes), and the ley line disrupts the character's senses.

dragonfett wrote:I think it's more the expectation that the Psi-Stalker that deals the death blow is more prepared to receive the PPE, even when further away, than the Psi-Stalker standing right next to the victim who was not the one delivering the killing blow.

ShadowLogan wrote:Actually MDC transformation occurs automatically when on a Ley Line/Nexus, not just as a result of locking horns with SN/CoM. "This also occurs when on a ley line, giving the Psi-Stalker 50% more MDC and his M.D.C is doubled at a nexus point. However, Psi-Stalkers still hate being on ley lines because of the disruption to the sense they rely upon so heavily."-pg154 RUE.

While the Psi-Stalker has some disadvantages to being on a Ley Line, where a mage is more powerful, the Psi-Stalker is now an MDC creature (plus Body Armor).

Giant2005 wrote:

ShadowLogan wrote:Actually MDC transformation occurs automatically when on a Ley Line/Nexus, not just as a result of locking horns with SN/CoM. "This also occurs when on a ley line, giving the Psi-Stalker 50% more MDC and his M.D.C is doubled at a nexus point. However, Psi-Stalkers still hate being on ley lines because of the disruption to the sense they rely upon so heavily."-pg 154 RUE.

While the Psi-Stalker has some disadvantages to being on a Ley Line, where a mage is more powerful, the Psi-Stalker is now an MDC creature (plus Body Armor).

That isn't how I interpret that statement.
I interpret the "This" in your quote to refer to the process of becoming M.D.C. when locking horns with a CoM or Supernatural critter. As in, it just says that if the same situation happens near a Nexus or Ley Line, the Psi-Stalker gets more M.D.C. than usual; Not that he is M.D.C. whenever he is near a Ley Line or Nexus, whether he is in combat or not.

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

flatline wrote:So if I'm standing next to a psi-stalker and another psi-stalker 300' away blows my head off with a rifle, how is it that the sniper gets my PPE and not the psi-stalker standing right next to me?

According to RUE, the psi-stalker standing next to me can only get the excess that the sniper psi-stalker doesn't absorb.

I think the RUE write-up assumes that psi-stalkers always kill their prey close range.

--flatline

You never know while you are looking at the deer and the green light some young psi stalkers are sneaking up behind you. So they get they get the ppe and the father knows his kids have a meal now or shots you thru the spine and you get ripped apart by tween cannie psi stalkers.

flatline wrote:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

flatline wrote:So if I'm standing next to a psi-stalker and another psi-stalker 300' away blows my head off with a rifle, how is it that the sniper gets my PPE and not the psi-stalker standing right next to me?

According to RUE, the psi-stalker standing next to me can only get the excess that the sniper psi-stalker doesn't absorb.

I think the RUE write-up assumes that psi-stalkers always kill their prey close range.

--flatline

You never know while you are looking at the deer and the green light some young psi stalkers are sneaking up behind you. So they get they get the ppe and the father knows his kids have a meal now or shots you thru the spine and you get ripped apart by tween cannie psi stalkers.

Perhaps you can help me understand how your reply relates to the post it was replying to. I can't see it.

--flatline

Giant2005 wrote:

ShadowLogan wrote:Actually MDC transformation occurs automatically when on a Ley Line/Nexus, not just as a result of locking horns with SN/CoM. "This also occurs when on a ley line, giving the Psi-Stalker 50% more MDC and his M.D.C is doubled at a nexus point. However, Psi-Stalkers still hate being on ley lines because of the disruption to the sense they rely upon so heavily."-pg154 RUE.

While the Psi-Stalker has some disadvantages to being on a Ley Line, where a mage is more powerful, the Psi-Stalker is now an MDC creature (plus Body Armor).

That isn't how I interpret that statement.
I interpret the "This" in your quote to refer to the process of becoming M.D.C. when locking horns with a CoM or Supernatural critter. As in, it just says that if the same situation happens near a Nexus or Ley Line, the Psi-Stalker gets more M.D.C. than usual; Not that he is M.D.C. whenever he is near a Ley Line or Nexus, whether he is in combat or not.

ShadowLogan wrote:

Giant2005 wrote:

ShadowLogan wrote:Actually MDC transformation occurs automatically when on a Ley Line/Nexus, not just as a result of locking horns with SN/CoM. "This also occurs when on a ley line, giving the Psi-Stalker 50% more MDC and his M.D.C is doubled at a nexus point. However, Psi-Stalkers still hate being on ley lines because of the disruption to the sense they rely upon so heavily."-pg154 RUE.

While the Psi-Stalker has some disadvantages to being on a Ley Line, where a mage is more powerful, the Psi-Stalker is now an MDC creature (plus Body Armor).

That isn't how I interpret that statement.
I interpret the "This" in your quote to refer to the process of becoming M.D.C. when locking horns with a CoM or Supernatural critter. As in, it just says that if the same situation happens near a Nexus or Ley Line, the Psi-Stalker gets more M.D.C. than usual; Not that he is M.D.C. whenever he is near a Ley Line or Nexus, whether he is in combat or not.

Then why mention that "this also occurs when on a ley line" if the transformation already would have happened from simply engaging CoM/SN critter. They could have simply said: when on a ley line/nexus they receive the following bonuses. That they explicitly state "this also occurs" indicates another separate trigger for the ability to activate.

Eashamahel wrote:Anytime you find yourself in a situation where where someone is out to kill you, you are in danger.

If that someone is a master woodsman, and travels with a group of similarly skilled friends, all of which are trained combatants who not only want to kill you, but want to EAT you, you are in danger.

If they possess psychic abilities warning them of danger, allowing them to communicate with each other silently, gather information on you without you knowing, can follow a trail you didn't even know you were leaving and pick you out hiding in a crowd without even knowing what you look like, you are in great danger.

Psi-Stalkers aren't random monsters that feed on PPE. They are intelligent, HUMAN hunters. They might ambush you or try to take you head on, or they might let you pass if you're too big a threat. They might just follow you for awhile and kill you in your sleep. They aren't noble hunters, or honourable combatants. They aren't zealots or maniacs. They just want to kill you.

Put another way, why would anyone be afraid of a group of armed psychic ninja cannibals who can be pretty much anywhere?

Nekira Sudacne wrote:So...why would a psi-stalker be trying to murder some random shifter trying to open a portal?

Yea, they are predators who feed on PPE to survive, but that dosn't make them psycopaths automatically. While there are (cannonically even) psycopathic kill-crazy bastard psi-stalkers, nothing i've seen indicates the majority go around ganking random wizards.

torjones wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:So...why would a psi-stalker be trying to murder some random shifter trying to open a portal?

Yea, they are predators who feed on PPE to survive, but that dosn't make them psycopaths automatically. While there are (cannonically even) psycopathic kill-crazy bastard psi-stalkers, nothing i've seen indicates the majority go around ganking random wizards.

That's not a person, that's FOOD. It's a chicken, that has developed the ability to speak American. It's a Cow. Sure, if I take good care of it, I can keep turning it into hamburger, but that's all it is really. It's in their own self-interest to have that perspective, even if they are civilized enough not to say it to the Cow's face...

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

torjones wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:So...why would a psi-stalker be trying to murder some random shifter trying to open a portal?

Yea, they are predators who feed on PPE to survive, but that dosn't make them psycopaths automatically. While there are (cannonically even) psycopathic kill-crazy bastard psi-stalkers, nothing i've seen indicates the majority go around ganking random wizards.

That's not a person, that's FOOD. It's a chicken, that has developed the ability to speak American. It's a Cow. Sure, if I take good care of it, I can keep turning it into hamburger, but that's all it is really. It's in their own self-interest to have that perspective, even if they are civilized enough not to say it to the Cow's face...

By that logic everyone on earth should be a cannibal. after all it's in your own self-interest to eat dead people instead of burying them--free food. what idiot would turn that down?

If cannabalism isn't the default for humans, why would it be for psi-stalkers?

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

torjones wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:So...why would a psi-stalker be trying to murder some random shifter trying to open a portal?

Yea, they are predators who feed on PPE to survive, but that dosn't make them psycopaths automatically. While there are (cannonically even) psycopathic kill-crazy bastard psi-stalkers, nothing i've seen indicates the majority go around ganking random wizards.

That's not a person, that's FOOD. It's a chicken, that has developed the ability to speak American. It's a Cow. Sure, if I take good care of it, I can keep turning it into hamburger, but that's all it is really. It's in their own self-interest to have that perspective, even if they are civilized enough not to say it to the Cow's face...

By that logic everyone on earth should be a cannibal. after all it's in your own self-interest to eat dead people instead of burying them--free food. what idiot would turn that down?

If cannabalism isn't the default for humans, why would it be for psi-stalkers?

50% of wild psi stalkers are cannibals. That and everything is food to something.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

torjones wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:So...why would a psi-stalker be trying to murder some random shifter trying to open a portal?

Yea, they are predators who feed on PPE to survive, but that dosn't make them psycopaths automatically. While there are (cannonically even) psycopathic kill-crazy bastard psi-stalkers, nothing i've seen indicates the majority go around ganking random wizards.

That's not a person, that's FOOD. It's a chicken, that has developed the ability to speak American. It's a Cow. Sure, if I take good care of it, I can keep turning it into hamburger, but that's all it is really. It's in their own self-interest to have that perspective, even if they are civilized enough not to say it to the Cow's face...

By that logic everyone on earth should be a cannibal. after all it's in your own self-interest to eat dead people instead of burying them--free food. what idiot would turn that down?

If cannabalism isn't the default for humans, why would it be for psi-stalkers?

50% of wild psi stalkers are cannibals. That and everything is food to something.

The thread was about psi-stalkers, not wild psi-stalkers. I consider them two seperate things. those wild psi-stalkers are the equivlent of xenophobic tribes that hate everyone not them, it's an entirely different paradigm.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

torjones wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:So...why would a psi-stalker be trying to murder some random shifter trying to open a portal?

Yea, they are predators who feed on PPE to survive, but that dosn't make them psycopaths automatically. While there are (cannonically even) psycopathic kill-crazy bastard psi-stalkers, nothing i've seen indicates the majority go around ganking random wizards.

That's not a person, that's FOOD. It's a chicken, that has developed the ability to speak American. It's a Cow. Sure, if I take good care of it, I can keep turning it into hamburger, but that's all it is really. It's in their own self-interest to have that perspective, even if they are civilized enough not to say it to the Cow's face...

By that logic everyone on earth should be a cannibal. after all it's in your own self-interest to eat dead people instead of burying them--free food. what idiot would turn that down?

If cannabalism isn't the default for humans, why would it be for psi-stalkers? That's my point. nothing in their description leads one to believe they see killing a mage as no different than killing a cow.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

torjones wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:So...why would a psi-stalker be trying to murder some random shifter trying to open a portal?

Yea, they are predators who feed on PPE to survive, but that dosn't make them psycopaths automatically. While there are (cannonically even) psycopathic kill-crazy bastard psi-stalkers, nothing i've seen indicates the majority go around ganking random wizards.

That's not a person, that's FOOD. It's a chicken, that has developed the ability to speak American. It's a Cow. Sure, if I take good care of it, I can keep turning it into hamburger, but that's all it is really. It's in their own self-interest to have that perspective, even if they are civilized enough not to say it to the Cow's face...

By that logic everyone on earth should be a cannibal. after all it's in your own self-interest to eat dead people instead of burying them--free food. what idiot would turn that down?

If cannabalism isn't the default for humans, why would it be for psi-stalkers?

50% of wild psi stalkers are cannibals. That and everything is food to something.

The thread was about psi-stalkers, not wild psi-stalkers. I consider them two separate things. those wild psi-stalkers are the equivalent of xenophobic tribes that hate everyone not them, it's an entirely different paradigm.

kaid wrote:When talking about psi stalkers the majority of them are "wild" psi stalkers and they are one of the listed varients in the RUE. Hard to talk about psi stalkers without taking wild psi stalkers into consideration given the vast majority of psi stalkers around fall into that category.

Also as shown in the xiticix book some tribes are xenophobic others are pretty open dealing with others even mages. Hell one tribe from the xiticx book has necromancers working/living with the tribe.

Funny thing is upon coming across a random mage when talking about "civilized" and "wild" psi stalkers you probably have a better chance of being left unmolested by the wild psi stalkers than the "civilized" ones given that nearly all the "civilized ones" are going to be members of the CS.