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If you were trained in a Wormwood OCC but were not born there (or if they were born within a year of SDC parents arrival, which isn't long enough to get MDC offspring), would you tend to just change the MDC bonus an OCC adds to an SDC bonus?

Would you also do this for the MDC gained by the body-hardening of defensive monks, or the masks worn by Apoks? +200 SDC is still pretty decent, allows you to survive a point or 2 of MD.

I assume they would get a PE base of HP and not just the d6/level that Wormwoodians get as "HP" though. I always found that odd... although having lower PE-less HP in other dimensions would be an interesting downside to Wormwoodians for getting to be MDC in high-magic dimensions.

The only thing I'm really sure would stay MDC for SDC creatures would by that gained from symbiotes since Salome serves as an example of it.

I'm also wondering whether or not this "natives get MDC" issue is for humans-only or if it applies to other species, like if generations of elves began living there.

Page 45 says "all natives" (not "all human natives") in its first bolded passage in the second column, so it could be interpreted as going beyond human... although it does go on to say "what is known is that the native human inhabitants of the planet are minor mega-damage creatures". It also goes on to say "human visitors to Wormwood... their offspring will be mega-damage if..." So it kinda switches between "natives" and the implied exclusivity to humanity.

I'm kind of thinking there might be something unique about humans... although most D-bees (including presumably Elves/Dwarves) can use WW symbiotes, on page 93 we learn that only humans can use the cream-of-the-crop Saints/Orbs that WW makes.

The MDC listed under the OCCs also seems to imply this human-exclusivity. "all native humans" is used rather than "all natives" on 53 (priests) 57 (apoks) 59 (monks) 63 (Wspeakers) and 64 (Swarriors)

On the other hand... a less exclusive "MDC (SDC in other environments)" is used on 75 (Hospitallers) and 72 (Templars) and 69 (Flancers)

Freelancers in particular stand out as a probable protest to human-only assuptions, because their option background table's middle option (51-60) says they can be a "lowly D-Bee" specifically "non-human" (the 81-90 option also says D-bee but not "non-human" so it could mean human D-bees)

I would think with 10-20% of random Freelancers being non-human D-bees that if they were not MDC the OCC might have made a note of it, right? Which leads me to think that the D-bee children of immigrating non-humans might also become MDC.

Although in that case I'm not really sure how much. How would we deal with D-bees who had SDC bonuses, like perhaps Ogres or Trolls? Just convert that SDC into MDC?

In that case let's just hope the Amaki don't make their way there...

Which is kind of a worry since there's a Wormwood-like city in South America... although I'm not sure if it is a big enough chunk that it will change people into MDC anymore. An FAQ did clarify that the city had enough Wormwoodness to keep symbiotes alive within a certain radius though... so who knows.

Ooo that is a tough one. Being trained on wormwood alone may not be enough to get mdc. I guess it could translate to sdc. None of my players had an interest in playing a wormwood occ without being native thankfully

Certain situations like the apok mask bonus I would give as mdc because it is a granted bonus.

Shouldn't be too harsh since it applies in Wormwood only, unless you have a cool PPE vamp ritual from Tolkeen.

The bonuses would be in SDC if the char is a SDC being is the normal convention on this. i.e.: the way non-A.H. GMs make their rulings on this subject.
It matters not how long the char has been on WW.

Generally, if the Char is of a normally SDC race born on WW they would be MDC.

If WW natives move off of WW and and have children 'off-world', then the child will be SDC if their race is normally SDC.

The only "Gray Area" would be that of the native WW's off-world children moving to WW. But this is something GM's get to decide if it comes up.

Hm... doesn't say anything about MDCers having off-world kids being SDC... I kinda figured it was a permanent species modification, your descendants forever doomed to lack psionics unless they were Amazons or something like that.

Hm... for some reason thinking about what Sea Titans born on Wormwood would be like. Their enhanced chance of psionics out the window, if SDC became MDC then their kids (normally SDC) would not have to wait to get it, but I don't think any difference in MDC would exist once adults, so it's kind of a lose game for them.

Amphibs on the other hand... they'd end up having more MDC than Titans did, win game for them.

Tor wrote:Hm... doesn't say anything about MDCers having off-world kids being SDC... I kinda figured it was a permanent species modification, your descendants forever doomed to lack psionics unless they were Amazons or something like that.

As far as we know, it is a side effect of living on Wormwood and eating the local food. By the same measure, for any Human training to be a Wormwood OCC to not end up MDC by the time they finished, they would need to do all of that training somewhere other than Wormwood. I'd also have to go with MD to SD on the conversion.. however some classes that obviously would not work out off world.

Tor wrote:Hm... for some reason thinking about what Sea Titans born on Wormwood would be like. Their enhanced chance of psionics out the window, if SDC became MDC then their kids (normally SDC) would not have to wait to get it, but I don't think any difference in MDC would exist once adults, so it's kind of a lose game for them.

Amphibs on the other hand... they'd end up having more MDC than Titans did, win game for them.

That raises an interesting question of whether the process works on non-humans, augmented humans, or superpowered beings. My leaning would be no, off-hand though.

Sitting down with my book now, just as a note, it seems the book specifically mentions MD to SD conversions right in the OCCs.
Almost all mentions are 'Native Humans', with one mention of 'all natives' and that non-natives may develop into minor MDC beings after several years and/or after taking a native mate.
More or less looks like the planet has to consider you to be citizen of Wormwood before it changes you into a MDC being.
Get the feeling that it is mainly tuned to humans as well, so not sure about somewhat similar beings being given anything, and those that it does seem to be those that will be sticking around.

Eating the local food isn't enough, the book is very clear that you definitely have to be born there.

SDC humans like Lazarus Vespers and Salome have been hanging around Wormwood eating grubs for a good while and have not changed.

one mention of 'all natives' and that non-natives may develop into minor MDC beings after several years and/or after taking a native mate.

Which page is this on?

Sure you're not talking about their kids?

Tor wrote:Sure you're not talking about their kids?

Upon closer examination, I did miss the 'their offspring' portion of that line.