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glitterboy2098 wrote:IIRC, PFRPG has some rules about larger/smaller armor and how the damage capacity is adjusted. i suspect the same rules could apply to MDC armor.

say652 wrote:My technique.

Take 100mdc heavy combat armor weight 40lbs.
For a being 80% larger than a human
Mdc180 and weight64lbs. An 80% increase of size, protection and weight.

Least thats how I do it.

Power Armors get a little wonky.
A samas 80% larger would more mdc more weight and unfortunately a slower flight speed....

glitterboy2098 wrote:IIRC, PFRPG has some rules about larger/smaller armor and how the damage capacity is adjusted. i suspect the same rules could apply to MDC armor.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Each Power Armor should have it's own xDC stat.

The problem with scaling the xDC with the size of the armor is that the bigger something is the more weight that goes to Structure of the PA rather then the Armor of the PA.

say652 wrote:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Each Power Armor should have it's own xDC stat.

The problem with scaling the xDC with the size of the armor is that the bigger something is the more weight that goes to Structure of the PA rather then the Armor of the PA.

As stated earlier good Kitty, the armor only enhances the wearers Supernatural strength.

A limit to this monster.
Power system: Nuclear; average Energy life is 4 Years.
Each SupperBoomer attack counts as 4 actions.
The armor takes 1/100th of damage dealt.
Each Shot costs 3 Boomgun rounds.
Fired as a Burst. No aim, Sniper or Called shot bonuses apply because its a 3 round burst.
No aimed burst with this weapon.
The Rahuman Pilot must roll Ps+18 vs 9D6 every shot, failed roll deals 1D6md from whiplash.
Four failed rolls in one battle signal Fatigue and supernatural endurance bonuses to Fatigue no longer apply. Treat Physical Endurance as normal human Endurance for the rest of the Battle. Rahuman often collapse on the Battlefield trying to handle the Super Boomer.

say652 wrote:For Power Armor, for each 20% increase in size, decrease speed by 5% so a Samas 80% larger, heavier and 80% more mdc would suffer a 20% decrease in speed running and speed flying.
Cost is multplied by size increase times two.
Thats 1,600,000 credits times 1.6 or 2,560,000 credits. New cost is always used.

Crow Splat wrote:

say652 wrote:For Power Armor, for each 20% increase in size, decrease speed by 5% so a Samas 80% larger, heavier and 80% more mdc would suffer a 20% decrease in speed running and speed flying.
Cost is multplied by size increase times two.
Thats 1,600,000 credits times 1.6 or 2,560,000 credits. New cost is always used.

I think you may need to recheck your math based on this and some other posts. If you increase height and armor thickness by 80%, your weight would actually increase closer to 640%. You add 80% more mass for your height then another 80% more mass for the armor thickness. To figure total mass those numbers are multiplied. Doing things that way makes armor really heavy, really fast.

say652 wrote:So 80% larger Samas.
Run:48mph.
Fly:240mph

450mdc
Weight:2412lbs without railgun.
Height:14.4 feet.

The suit also loses its Robotic Strength instead it provides its wearer with +18 to Supernatural strength. If the wearer doesn't have Supernatural strength they cannot operate this suit.

say652 wrote:

Crow Splat wrote:

say652 wrote:For Power Armor, for each 20% increase in size, decrease speed by 5% so a Samas 80% larger, heavier and 80% more mdc would suffer a 20% decrease in speed running and speed flying.
Cost is multplied by size increase times two.
Thats 1,600,000 credits times 1.6 or 2,560,000 credits. New cost is always used.

I think you may need to recheck your math based on this and some other posts. If you increase height and armor thickness by 80%, your weight would actually increase closer to 640%. You add 80% more mass for your height then another 80% more mass for the armor thickness. To figure total mass those numbers are multiplied. Doing things that way makes armor really heavy, really fast.

say652 wrote:Glitterboy designed for a RahuMan he is 15' 500lbs.

Rahu Glitterboy.
19.76 feet tall.
19,440lbs weight.

Mdc:1,463.
+18 SnPs.
Run spd:47mph.

Vehicle dents the pocket at 70 million credits!!

psam_rage wrote:Also converting power armor for use by non-Human Equivalent troops is near impossible you would need a complete custom built as stated earlier, the rules for that are in SB1:revised.

Robot R.C.C.
Skip Step one
Skip Step two
Since you probably aren't at level one you can skip step 3. (Unless you are using this to make an exotic RPA Pilot.
Skip Step four
Step five: If making true power armor take one of the humanoid choices and make sure it is 2-5' taller than your character. Robot is anything larger than that.
Step 6: Any
Step 7: If power armor legs should match the pilots, robot any
Step 8, 9, 10: Have fun (Don't take 360 Degree Rotating Body Segment on Power armor!)
(Increased Attacks per Melee Round doesn't fit, unless you convince your GM that it is for RPA:Elite [but moderate it!])

Example:
Centaur Power Armour (Would never happen but hey its a good example)
Step 5: Partial Humanoid & either if the centaur is small Animal: Basic Horse (Large) or if the centaur is larger use Giant Animal
Step 6: Doesn't matter (One year TW-Generator to be used with the Techno-Wizard Robot Pilot from R60 perhaps?)
Step 7: Large Animal legs
Step 8, 9, 10: Anything except you probably wouldn't take the cosmetic enhancements like skin and fur.

It is THAT simple.

Though you would need to commision the design, and draw it up w/ Robot Electronics, Robot Mechanics, and Weapons Engineer at least.

eliakon wrote:And now we know what the Cyber-Horsemen of Ixon wear into battle

psam_rage wrote:

eliakon wrote:And now we know what the Cyber-Horsemen of Ixon wear into battle

The only problem is that both centaurs and the Cyber horsemen specifically prohibited any RPA class.

In both cases I think this is because the are NO Robots or power Armor designed for them, though in the case of centaurs it is also a case of their racial Cleithrophobia. (The normal Centaurs ARE HERD CREATURE.)

masslegion wrote:
Let's start with 1 and increase by 80% = 1+(1*. =1.8 for an 80% increase in one dimension say height. Now we take 1.8 times more material than original/weight and increase the overall thickness of said armor by 80%.

Crow Splat wrote:I wouldn't make it a linear relationship. Yes there is more mdc material in the armor but the armor isn't any thicker. So unless you are getting hit across a large percentage of the surface area of the armor, your actual protection doesn't increase.

Like modern body armor, an 8"x10" plate of ar500 stops the same bullets that a 4'x8' sheet stops. The only way the larger plate protects better is by taking more hits over a larger surface area, but a competent shooter is going to go for the same spot every time and at least get close.

I would say 3 to 5% increase for every foot above six in pilot height would be reasonable.

say652 wrote:If a standard GB is lets say 10 inches thick one that is increased 90% would be....19" thick.

Actually thinking about designing a triple railgun for the Giant size version.

Super Boomer.
1D6×100mdc to a 6foot radius. per triple blast. Range 10,000 feet.
The sky is filled with 600 hardened projectiles traveling at mach2 the massive Sonic Boom radius 600 FEET! 1/2 effect 900 feet unfortunate unarmored characters at 1200 feet suffer 1/4 of the deafening effect. When fired even targets fully armored suffer the deafening effect. Objects within 200 suffer 1D4md SonicBlast and are knocked down, save is same all ranges. 6D6 vs a Parry a Dodge all ranges and a Roll with punch all bonuses apply costs 3 Attacks not actions to roll a save vs the 1 attack lost just eating the damage and penalties. One failed roll and the save fails. And 4md is taken.
A save in eba halves all damages and effects.

RiftJunkie wrote:I had to vote for "other". Any re-work of "human" armor (especially power armor) is a custom job. There are examples out there for non-humans: the Kreegor have a few, so do the Arkons and Gargoyles. Human power armor is not easily made into something else. Any deviation means it is a NEW power armor and would need to be treated as a prototype with all the bugs until a proven design is found. That's my view. House Rule it however works best for you.

Crow Splat wrote:@Q99: The math that @masslegion and myself posted was a response to @say652 saying that he was increasing thickness of armor plates as well to justify increased MDC. We were pointing out that if that is the case then his original weights were really low. Just thought I would clarify as it seemed you may not understand.

say652 wrote:Exactly. Find some d-bee race Almost strong enough to handle it, use just enough enhancement protection so they can barely survive a battle using it and badoom!

A weapon so powerful, hopefully thousands of Rahumen and similiar beings slaughter themselves.