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Hi all!

Question please, currently, there are 3 possibilities being discussed in my group of how a Hound would take damage from Nightbane.

1. Hounds take 50% normal attacks from Nightbanes and take 200% from their talents and any magic.
2. Hounds take 100% normal attacks from Nightbanes and take 200% from their talents and any magic.
3. Hounds take 200% from all attacks from Nightbanes.

Is there anywhere in the book or in forum that Palladium came out to confirm this please?
Thank you for all comments

I'd go with #2, but I don't have any official source to back that up yet.

nakorn66 wrote:Hi all!

Question please, currently, there are 3 possibilities being discussed in my group of how a Hound would take damage from Nightbane.

1. Hounds take 50% normal attacks from Nightbanes and take 200% from their talents and any magic.
2. Hounds take 100% normal attacks from Nightbanes and take 200% from their talents and any magic.
3. Hounds take 200% from all attacks from Nightbanes.

Is there anywhere in the book or in forum that Palladium came out to confirm this please?
Thank you for all comments

200% from talents and magic and attacks with unarmed or natural weapons, but no bonus for guns or artifical weapons (Gun limbs and the like still count).

nakorn66 wrote:Hi all!

Question please, currently, there are 3 possibilities being discussed in my group of how a Hound would take damage from Nightbane.

1. Hounds take 50% normal attacks from Nightbanes and take 200% from their talents and any magic.
2. Hounds take 100% normal attacks from Nightbanes and take 200% from their talents and any magic.
3. Hounds take 200% from all attacks from Nightbanes.

Is there anywhere in the book or in forum that Palladium came out to confirm this please?
Thank you for all comments

After reading the text Hounds, Hound Master, Hunters and Great Hounds....if taking the literal words of the text then it would #1 with the hounds taking only 50% from NS/NB bare handed attacks & x2 SD from Magic and talents.

However, I would happen to guess that most GMs equate being SNat. as magical in nature. And as such their attacks are at least going to over come the limited invulnerability.

(note: SNPS equivalent PS's [the Titan Juicers' from JU being an example of non-SN/non-magical SNPS] will not overcome this limited invulnerability.)

In My games it would be #2 or #3 depending. With the caveat that melee attacks from the NS have to be bare handed to overcome the LI of the Hounds and others hound likes.

Side Note: In the 1st printing of the Nightlands book the Great Hounds are not listed at having the other hounds' LI but with the same venerabilities.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

nakorn66 wrote:Hi all!

Question please, currently, there are 3 possibilities being discussed in my group of how a Hound would take damage from Nightbane.

1. Hounds take 50% normal attacks from Nightbanes and take 200% from their talents and any magic.
2. Hounds take 100% normal attacks from Nightbanes and take 200% from their talents and any magic.
3. Hounds take 200% from all attacks from Nightbanes.

Is there anywhere in the book or in forum that Palladium came out to confirm this please?
Thank you for all comments

After reading the text Hounds, Hound Master, Hunters and Great Hounds....if taking the literal words of the text then it would #1 with the hounds taking only 50% from NS/NB bare handed attacks & x2 SD from Magic and talents.

However, I would happen to guess that most GMs equate being SNat. as magical in nature. And as such their attacks are at least going to over come the limited invulnerability.

(note: SNPS equivalent PS's [the Titan Juicers' from JU being an example of non-SN/non-magical SNPS] will not overcome this limited invulnerability.)

In My games it would be #2 or #3 depending. With the caveat that melee attacks from the NS have to be bare handed to overcome the LI of the Hounds and others hound likes.

Side Note: In the 1st printing of the Nightlands book the Great Hounds are not listed at having the other hounds' LI but with the same venerabilities.

I agree with this assessment, but there is another possible alternative:

According to page 162 of Dark Conversions (Rifts Conversion Book 3), Hounds take triple (300%) damage from a Nightbane's unarmed attacks. According to p. 131 of the same book, Hounds still only take double (200%) damage from Nightbane Talents and magic, and, curiously enough, normal (100%) damage from spells cast by non-Nightbane. Obviously, these rules are probably intended to apply only when combining Nightbane with Rifts, but some Nightbane GMs may wish to use them.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

nakorn66 wrote:Hi all!

Question please, currently, there are 3 possibilities being discussed in my group of how a Hound would take damage from Nightbane.

1. Hounds take 50% normal attacks from Nightbanes and take 200% from their talents and any magic.
2. Hounds take 100% normal attacks from Nightbanes and take 200% from their talents and any magic.
3. Hounds take 200% from all attacks from Nightbanes.

Is there anywhere in the book or in forum that Palladium came out to confirm this please?
Thank you for all comments

200% from talents and magic and attacks with unarmed or natural weapons, but no bonus for guns or artifical weapons (Gun limbs and the like still count).

That sounds right.

Ed wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

nakorn66 wrote:Hi all!

Question please, currently, there are 3 possibilities being discussed in my group of how a Hound would take damage from Nightbane.

1. Hounds take 50% normal attacks from Nightbanes and take 200% from their talents and any magic.
2. Hounds take 100% normal attacks from Nightbanes and take 200% from their talents and any magic.
3. Hounds take 200% from all attacks from Nightbanes.

Is there anywhere in the book or in forum that Palladium came out to confirm this please?
Thank you for all comments

200% from talents and magic and attacks with unarmed or natural weapons, but no bonus for guns or artifical weapons (Gun limbs and the like still count).

That sounds right.

That matches my interpretation and execution as well.

Glistam wrote:

Ed wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

nakorn66 wrote:Hi all!

Question please, currently, there are 3 possibilities being discussed in my group of how a Hound would take damage from Nightbane.

1. Hounds take 50% normal attacks from Nightbanes and take 200% from their talents and any magic.
2. Hounds take 100% normal attacks from Nightbanes and take 200% from their talents and any magic.
3. Hounds take 200% from all attacks from Nightbanes.

Is there anywhere in the book or in forum that Palladium came out to confirm this please?
Thank you for all comments

200% from talents and magic and attacks with unarmed or natural weapons, but no bonus for guns or artifical weapons (Gun limbs and the like still count).

That sounds right.

That matches my interpretation and execution as well.

Tis also how I run it.

I actually go with #2 in my game. That way the Hounds and such are a real threat to be feared ( especially if low on ppe!

I believe that the damage is amplified in Dark Conversions for Rift's Earth ? Given its greater Magical Influence. I could be wrong. I also tend to use #2 when I am running games.