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ITWastrel wrote:I2E is NOT a barrier spell, and only protects against "energy" weapons, a class of weapons like lasers, flamethrowers, natural fire, particle beams, and such that project or launch energy beams or blasts that burn, shock, explode or scorch the target.

A phase weapon is NOT an energy weapon. While it's similar, a high tech death ray that runs on batteries, the method of damaging the target is very different. A phase beamer does not heat you up, burn or shock you. it tears apart your body by dragging parts of it out of phase with the rest of the universe. The phase weapons have special rules, and enough flavor text otherwise to declare phase beamers are not energy, ignore I2E, and be only stopped by actual magic barriers and force fields as listed.

Nuristas wrote:Which leaves me to wonder, what would phase weapons do to somebody who is "invulnerable"? Since he's only truly harmed by magical/psionic or supernatural strength attacks?

The Beast wrote:

Nuristas wrote:Which leaves me to wonder, what would phase weapons do to somebody who is "invulnerable"? Since he's only truly harmed by magical/psionic or supernatural strength attacks?

As I recall, the wording in their description (phase weapons) implies that you have to specifically be immune to their attacks, and that other types of invulnerability don't protect against phase weapons.

Nuristas wrote:

The Beast wrote:

Nuristas wrote:Which leaves me to wonder, what would phase weapons do to somebody who is "invulnerable"? Since he's only truly harmed by magical/psionic or supernatural strength attacks?

As I recall, the wording in their description (phase weapons) implies that you have to specifically be immune to their attacks, and that other types of invulnerability don't protect against phase weapons.

True,

you could even consider it like a magical attack I think. Since it transcends what science can do/understand and even magic has difficulties replicating it.
It you consider it as such, all discussion is moot.

No clue if that is the right way to go though or over the top.

The Beast wrote:As I recall, the wording in their description (phase weapons) implies that you have to specifically be immune to their attacks, and that other types of invulnerability don't protect against phase weapons.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:What do you think of a Char with the "Create Force Fields" super power. Would their power block phase weapons?

ITWastrel wrote:Create force field qualifies to stop phase beamers in it's title. Phase weapons are stopped by forcefields (DB2, pp122), whether magic or tech, and the title of the power kinda brooks no argument.

Why would there need to be a "if mystically bestowed" qualifier there?

I was wondering what would happen if a full conversion borg was hit with a phase gun OR a phase spell. Being that their bodies are made of what I would assume to be similar material to MDC armor, wouldn't that mean that a Borg should be VERY SCARED of phase guns being that the only living body parts that they have are maybe a tongue and a brain? This would mean that a Borg with X hundred MDC could be taken out by the cheapest phase weapon in a shot or two.

Answer: Phase weaponry would bypass a Borgs normal armor. Unless the 'borg was protected by a force field, the phase beamer would harm his natural body parts. Since the few body parts are small, the phase beam would do half damage (the GM might require a called shot to hit the area where the flesh components are); the 'borg's hit points for these purposes would be either normal, or, for full conversions, P.E. plus 1D4 per level of experience.

Nuristas wrote:Do Phase Weapons ignore cyber-armor or would they kill the cyborg's brain ignoring his metal body?

Borast wrote:This will depend on whether you consider a phase field energy, or an extremely local alteration of physical laws.

If I recall, Cosmoknights, whom are "Resistant to Energy attacks" (1/100th[?] damage) take reduced damage (1/2[?]) from phase attacks. In consideration of this, I would rule "Impervious to Energy" would essentially almost eliminate any damage, maybe a maximum of 1 point per die?

Nuristas wrote:Do Phase Weapons ignore cyber-armor or would they kill the cyborg's brain ignoring his metal body?

Answered elsewhere, and apparently canon - phase weaponry damages the chassis of the 'borg. As a GM, I would rule that any supplemental armour bolted onto the chassis would be skipped.

ITWastrel wrote:No offense intended, but nothing you posted is supported by the rules as written, or as intended. Cosmo-knights are NOT the impervious to energy spell. Any resistances they have are irrelevant. Per the official FAQ, Phase weapons ignore the chassis of a borg (all the artificial parts)as well as any armor, and only harm the organics.

ITWastrel wrote:RUE pp47 states that Borg are immune to attacks that cause damage direct to hit points.

Phase weapons do not do damage direct to hit points.
Phase weapons damage organic materials inflicting SDC or MDC as appropriate, and after depleting that SDC the damage comes off hit points as normal.

Since they ignore armor, and Borg apparently* have hit points, phase weapons do damage to the Borg's hit points. If they had SDC that would have come first.



*After a reread of the new RUE Borg entry, I am questioning if Borg actually HAVE hit points. Page 47 states "is considered a Mega-Damage bring now"
Are the new rules that a full conversion borg is an MDC structure/creature and thus has no hit points? If so, this whole discussion is moot and Borg are now likely immune to phase weapons.

Nuristas wrote:

ITWastrel wrote:RUE pp47 states that Borg are immune to attacks that cause damage direct to hit points.

Phase weapons do not do damage direct to hit points.
Phase weapons damage organic materials inflicting SDC or MDC as appropriate, and after depleting that SDC the damage comes off hit points as normal.

Since they ignore armor, and Borg apparently* have hit points, phase weapons do damage to the Borg's hit points. If they had SDC that would have come first.



*After a reread of the new RUE Borg entry, I am questioning if Borg actually HAVE hit points. Page 47 states "is considered a Mega-Damage bring now"
Are the new rules that a full conversion borg is an MDC structure/creature and thus has no hit points? If so, this whole discussion is moot and Borg are now likely immune to phase weapons.

So I get it right:

Phase Weapons are murder against vampires (can damage them and destroys their uber regeneration)
Phase Weapons are great against things which are organic even if in a tin can like a power armor
Phase Weapons ignore impervious to energy since not a forcefield effect and not in the intended damage types to block
Phase Weapons don't do anything against physical objects and Borgs are also immune to them since borgs are just considered an MDC being now and you can't target the squishy parts since unstatted.

Does that resume where we ended up?

does this mean Mechanoids are immune to phase weapons?

ITWastrel wrote:

does this mean Mechanoids are immune to phase weapons?

After a read of R:SB2, Some Mechanoids... Have SDC, but no HP(?) but ABMs don't have the same SDC listed, or any HP, but still have removable containment units containing the majority of their organics just like their mean brothers...

Hey, anyone know when Mechanoid Space drops? I got a question now.

ITWastrel wrote:Hey, anyone know when Mechanoid Space drops? I got a question now.

The Beast wrote:

ITWastrel wrote:Hey, anyone know when Mechanoid Space drops? I got a question now.

In the year 5,000,000,023.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:I would say that phase weapons ignore the CK's energy resistance.
In the Hammer of the forge chapters I believe there is a fight in there where the bodies pull out phase weapons acting like it is their silver bullet verses CKs.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:'How would the CK having a FF let their energy resistance come into play verses phase weapons?' is the question I would ask. Since the text you wrote says this is something you think would happen.

Axelmania wrote:If phase harms organic, are vampires still organic in mist form?

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

Axelmania wrote:If phase harms organic, are vampires still organic in mist form?

Since they are undead....it would need to be asked does the word 'organic' mean what scientists' mean when they co-op'ed the word "carbon compounds' or is the real meaning of the word means 'life based compounds'. Yes, it is a significant difference in meaning, so it is an apt question.

Cause if you say the science co-op'ed meaning.... then okay... I'll make a MDC armor made out of carbon compounds which will be an effective armor vs phase weapons.

Or does the text really mean that the phase weapons it only interacts with the life, or magic of the being it hits to cause damage in that life's physical anchor....

ITWastrel wrote:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

Axelmania wrote:If phase harms organic, are vampires still organic in mist form?

Since they are undead....it would need to be asked does the word 'organic' mean what scientists' mean when they co-op'ed the word "carbon compounds' or is the real meaning of the word means 'life based compounds'. Yes, it is a significant difference in meaning, so it is an apt question.

Cause if you say the science co-op'ed meaning.... then okay... I'll make a MDC armor made out of carbon compounds which will be an effective armor vs phase weapons.

Or does the text really mean that the phase weapons it only interacts with the life, or magic of the being it hits to cause damage in that life's physical anchor....

It means that nonliving materials can tolerate their molecules being skewed 30 degrees left to right and back again a while lot better than a living creature can.

ITWastrel wrote:Create force field qualifies to stop phase beamers in it's title. Phase weapons are stopped by forcefields (DB2, pp122), whether magic or tech, and the title of the power kinda brooks no argument.

Why would there need to be a "if mystically bestowed" qualifier there?

The Beast wrote:

ITWastrel wrote:Create force field qualifies to stop phase beamers in it's title. Phase weapons are stopped by forcefields (DB2, pp122), whether magic or tech, and the title of the power kinda brooks no argument.

Why would there need to be a "if mystically bestowed" qualifier there?

To answer your question I recalled that pirates loved the weapons because they kill the crew without damaging the ship, but didn't remember the part about force fields.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:I would say that phase weapons ignore the CK's energy resistance.
In the Hammer of the forge chapters I believe there is a fight in there where the bodies pull out phase weapons acting like it is their silver bullet verses CKs.

Borast wrote:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:I would say that phase weapons ignore the CK's energy resistance.
In the Hammer of the forge chapters I believe there is a fight in there where the bodies pull out phase weapons acting like it is their silver bullet verses CKs.

"Fan Fiction" is not canon.
That being said, I did enjoy it so much in the Rifters, I bought it from Drive Thru...