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After recent threads I come to think about my fav comic universe menace and dangers.
Now, considering also that APPARENTLY the growth of mutant race stopped, what or who is the greatets and most dangerous superhuman menace of 616 earth?

Brian Michael Bendis.

It's weird, because (for me) I like Bendis' writing on Ultimate Spider-Man, and his dialog and scripting is pretty decent. What bothers me most is his writing the Avengers, and ignoring the majority of the Avengers background. Not necessarily the characters themselves, but the group as an institution. He's not treating the team like the A-List it should be. He's not remembering (nor would it seem cares to learn) that this was the team that took on Thanos, fought in the Skrull-Kree War, The Shiar-Kree War, the Korvac Saga, the Serpent Crown Affair, and much more. This isn't a pick-up team of street heroes, and lesser lights (Sentry): this is an Iconic Group (the group itself, not necessarily the individuals). Cap has stated in the past that the team is greater than the sum of it's parts, and this used to be the case.
I like the chemistry Bendis gives the team, and some of the team inner dynamics, but I hate the way he has ignored the teams foundation and cornerstones, as if to say he knows nothing of the history and does not care to learn.

now that cable has lost his telepathy and gained instant access to all electronic information on the planet, i would say that he would be the single greatest threat. however, i do have the utmost faith that he would never use it for any nefarious purposes, other than exposing the newest paris hilton sex tape.

But your also missing that this is the NEW Avengers, it's hasen't gone public until issue 14, and thats because of a "leak" (lack of a better word). They haven't gotten alot of history. The only one that really need a history check-up is The Sentry, and they did. I think there nothing wroung with that Bendis have done with them. They just need time to grow.

I get the idea: it's a new team. That's not new for the Avengers, it's actually par for the course every fifty issues or so.
But it was convenient for Bendis that every single Avenger (except Cap and Iron Man) was either unwilling or unavailable.
That was out of character for many of the Avengers past: but, convenietly for BMB, because he doesn't know how to write those characters.
He uses Sentry, who fills in the Thor role, because he doesn't know squat about Thor. Power Man? Spider Woman? There are plenty of Avengers past who would have made better choices.
This isn't the Defenders: It's The Avengers.

mainbox wrote:

Sentinel wrote:It's weird, because (for me) I like Bendis' writing on Ultimate Spider-Man, and his dialog and scripting is pretty decent. What bothers me most is his writing the Avengers, and ignoring the majority of the Avengers background. Not necessarily the characters themselves, but the group as an institution. He's not treating the team like the A-List it should be. He's not remembering (nor would it seem cares to learn) that this was the team that took on Thanos, fought in the Skrull-Kree War, The Shiar-Kree War, the Korvac Saga, the Serpent Crown Affair, and much more. This isn't a pick-up team of street heroes, and lesser lights (Sentry): this is an Iconic Group (the group itself, not necessarily the individuals). Cap has stated in the past that the team is greater than the sum of it's parts, and this used to be the case.
I like the chemistry Bendis gives the team, and some of the team inner dynamics, but I hate the way he has ignored the teams foundation and cornerstones, as if to say he knows nothing of the history and does not care to learn.

But your also missing that this is the NEW Avengers, it's hasen't gone public until issue 14, and thats because of a "leak" (lack of a better word). They haven't gotten alot of history. The only one that really need a history check-up is The Sentry, and they did. I think there nothing wroung with that Bendis have done with them. They just need time to grow.

Into what? An even suckier team?
Sentinel got it spot on. Bendis is a lazy writer, having admitted he did no research prior to writing Disassembled except for the odd issue hed read here and there over the years.
And whats with having spiderwoman naked so much? Not that I mind but I think hes got issues (Im also referring to her limited series and thunderbolt appearances where she has also been naked).

House of M was utter garbage strettttttttttttttttttttched out 6 issues more than it needed to be.

Now while I still enjoy Ultimate Spiderman its looking very tired and I really believe that soon the Ultimate titles will go the way of 2099 (which also had a respectable run but eventually ran out of steam and faded).


But the major danger to the marvel universe?
Joe Quesada who has just had his contract extended for another 5 years. So thats 5 more years of his private boys club where his favourites get to write everything. Write being used in the loosest possible definition of the word.

Thanos is still probably the greatest danger, no matter how many mutants there are.

But, for those on Earth itself... Not so sure. I don't know who survived the culling, so I really couldn't tell you. Probably Magneto when he gets his powers and mind back(and you know he will). Then he'll go evil, then back to good, then get cloned, then pop up as evil, etc...

For sheer magnitude of threat level in the Marvel Universe, I go with:

(in no particular order)

Red Skull with the Cosmic Cube.
Thanos (up to the Infinity Guantlet series, before the lame excuse about him being self-defeating).
The Grandmaster.
Cthon.
Set.
Galactus (although he can be reasoned with, he shouldn't be).

beyonder,...

Mr. Montague wrote:beyonder,...

Yeah, a danger to my sanity, good storytelling, and continuity.

that might be but still the greatest threat

Lacking a malicious spirit, I feel that the Beyonder (as an immature Cosmic Cube) is less of a threat than the Red Skull with a Cube.
If you get the opportunity, read the (novel) series The Chaos Engine.
Book one is Doctor Doom, book two is Magneto, and The Red Skull is book three.

Sentinel wrote:Lacking a malicious spirit, I feel that the Beyonder (as an immature Cosmic Cube) is less of a threat than the Red Skull with a Cube.
If you get the opportunity, read the (novel) series The Chaos Engine.
Book one is Doctor Doom, book two is Magneto, and The Red Skull is book three.

just outta curiousity who/what the hell is Red Skull in the first place?

the only place I remember him from is an Old sega gensis game where he was the final boss (was a captian america title)

thought he was freaky as hell but never knew what the hell he was. and the game was a side-scrolling beat 'em up and had no story or explination whatsoever.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Sentinel wrote:Lacking a malicious spirit, I feel that the Beyonder (as an immature Cosmic Cube) is less of a threat than the Red Skull with a Cube.
If you get the opportunity, read the (novel) series The Chaos Engine.
Book one is Doctor Doom, book two is Magneto, and The Red Skull is book three.

just outta curiousity who/what the hell is Red Skull in the first place?

the only place I remember him from is an Old sega gensis game where he was the final boss (was a captian america title)

thought he was freaky as hell but never knew what the hell he was. and the game was a side-scrolling beat 'em up and had no story or explination whatsoever.

Red Skull was a Captain America villain from the 1940s, who was believed to have been killed, but was brought back (there was some ambiguity about whether the "real" Red Skull was killed or not). He was a Nazi and protege of Hitler himself. His origin has been tweaked slightly over the succeeding decades, but for the most part consistant.
At one point, he obtained the reality-altering Cosmic Cube (originally developed by the Advanced Idea Mechanics: AIM), and coupled with his hate-filled mind, was a force to be reckoned with.
He is described as the human embodiment of Evil: as evil as a man can get without making deals with demons. Even demonic characters would be advised to keep one eye on the Red Skull when dealing with him: he re-defines treachery. For the Skull, murder is something you do on the way to the bathroom, torture is a form of seduction, and even complete loyalty isn't enough.

Sentinel wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Sentinel wrote:Lacking a malicious spirit, I feel that the Beyonder (as an immature Cosmic Cube) is less of a threat than the Red Skull with a Cube.
If you get the opportunity, read the (novel) series The Chaos Engine.
Book one is Doctor Doom, book two is Magneto, and The Red Skull is book three.

just outta curiousity who/what the hell is Red Skull in the first place?

the only place I remember him from is an Old sega gensis game where he was the final boss (was a captian america title)

thought he was freaky as hell but never knew what the hell he was. and the game was a side-scrolling beat 'em up and had no story or explination whatsoever.

Red Skull was a Captain America villain from the 1940s, who was believed to have been killed, but was brought back (there was some ambiguity about whether the "real" Red Skull was killed or not). He was a Nazi and protege of Hitler himself. His origin has been tweaked slightly over the succeeding decades, but for the most part consistant.
At one point, he obtained the reality-altering Cosmic Cube (originally developed by the Advanced Idea Mechanics: AIM), and coupled with his hate-filled mind, was a force to be reckoned with.
He is described as the human embodiment of Evil: as evil as a man can get without making deals with demons. Even demonic characters would be advised to keep one eye on the Red Skull when dealing with him: he re-defines treachery. For the Skull, murder is something you do on the way to the bathroom, torture is a form of seduction, and even complete loyalty isn't enough.

sounds like a reasonablly nasty guy.

glad I kicked his but then

Sentinel wrote:For sheer magnitude of threat level in the Marvel Universe, I go with:

(in no particular order)

Red Skull with the Cosmic Cube.
Thanos (up to the Infinity Guantlet series, before the lame excuse about him being self-defeating).
The Grandmaster.
Cthon.
Set.
Galactus (although he can be reasoned with, he shouldn't be).

One curious note about Cthon. Scarlet's Caos Powers derived form this demonic being influence. Cthon was attempitng to free from Wundagore mountain, where he was trapped, when Wand was born. So her powers got warped. Wihtout his influence she would have got powers similar to her father.
So this will give him some points in poll.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Sentinel wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Sentinel wrote:Lacking a malicious spirit, I feel that the Beyonder (as an immature Cosmic Cube) is less of a threat than the Red Skull with a Cube.
If you get the opportunity, read the (novel) series The Chaos Engine.
Book one is Doctor Doom, book two is Magneto, and The Red Skull is book three.

just outta curiousity who/what the hell is Red Skull in the first place?

the only place I remember him from is an Old sega gensis game where he was the final boss (was a captian america title)

thought he was freaky as hell but never knew what the hell he was. and the game was a side-scrolling beat 'em up and had no story or explination whatsoever.

Red Skull was a Captain America villain from the 1940s, who was believed to have been killed, but was brought back (there was some ambiguity about whether the "real" Red Skull was killed or not). He was a Nazi and protege of Hitler himself. His origin has been tweaked slightly over the succeeding decades, but for the most part consistant.
At one point, he obtained the reality-altering Cosmic Cube (originally developed by the Advanced Idea Mechanics: AIM), and coupled with his hate-filled mind, was a force to be reckoned with.
He is described as the human embodiment of Evil: as evil as a man can get without making deals with demons. Even demonic characters would be advised to keep one eye on the Red Skull when dealing with him: he re-defines treachery. For the Skull, murder is something you do on the way to the bathroom, torture is a form of seduction, and even complete loyalty isn't enough.

sounds like a reasonablly nasty guy.

glad I kicked his but then

In the late 1980s, following his apparent death, he was placed into a clonal body of Steve Rogers (complete with Super Soldier Serum). He then re-launched his career of evil doings, only he abandoned the trappings of Nazism, and instead adopted the image of the American Businessman. He had lost none of his bloodthirstiness, but now he had strength, stamina, and reflexes comparable to Captain Americas'. A mishap with his dust of death caused his skin to shrivel and turn red: A real Red Skull (previously, the skull was just a mask).
The Skull financed and masterminded several criminal schemes at once rather than approach them single-mindedly as he had in times past. Among these were the Scourge of the Underworld, The Power Brokers' Sweat Shop, The Resistants (mutants opposed to registration, thus fanning the anti-mutant predjudice), the Watchdogs (a radical grass-roots hate group), and others.
Later, the Skull took up a partnership with the insane, nihilistic Viper (formerly Madame Hydra).
More recently, he took on the Avengers while masquarading as Dell Rusk, Secretary of Defense (jumble the letters of "Dell Rusk", and see what you find), and poisoned a large area around Mount Rushmore.

Most recently, he was involved in a plot with a Russian Black Arms Market dealer involving re-creating the Cosmic Cube. He was shot and killed by a sniper in a double-cross. Steve (Captain America) Rogers confirmed the Skulls' identity.

Sentinel wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Sentinel wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Sentinel wrote:Lacking a malicious spirit, I feel that the Beyonder (as an immature Cosmic Cube) is less of a threat than the Red Skull with a Cube.
If you get the opportunity, read the (novel) series The Chaos Engine.
Book one is Doctor Doom, book two is Magneto, and The Red Skull is book three.

just outta curiousity who/what the hell is Red Skull in the first place?

the only place I remember him from is an Old sega gensis game where he was the final boss (was a captian america title)

thought he was freaky as hell but never knew what the hell he was. and the game was a side-scrolling beat 'em up and had no story or explination whatsoever.

Red Skull was a Captain America villain from the 1940s, who was believed to have been killed, but was brought back (there was some ambiguity about whether the "real" Red Skull was killed or not). He was a Nazi and protege of Hitler himself. His origin has been tweaked slightly over the succeeding decades, but for the most part consistant.
At one point, he obtained the reality-altering Cosmic Cube (originally developed by the Advanced Idea Mechanics: AIM), and coupled with his hate-filled mind, was a force to be reckoned with.
He is described as the human embodiment of Evil: as evil as a man can get without making deals with demons. Even demonic characters would be advised to keep one eye on the Red Skull when dealing with him: he re-defines treachery. For the Skull, murder is something you do on the way to the bathroom, torture is a form of seduction, and even complete loyalty isn't enough.

sounds like a reasonablly nasty guy.

glad I kicked his but then

In the late 1980s, following his apparent death, he was placed into a clonal body of Steve Rogers (complete with Super Soldier Serum). He then re-launched his career of evil doings, only he abandoned the trappings of Nazism, and instead adopted the image of the American Businessman. He had lost none of his bloodthirstiness, but now he had strength, stamina, and reflexes comparable to Captain Americas'. A mishap with his dust of death caused his skin to shrivel and turn red: A real Red Skull (previously, the skull was just a mask).
The Skull financed and masterminded several criminal schemes at once rather than approach them single-mindedly as he had in times past. Among these were the Scourge of the Underworld, The Power Brokers' Sweat Shop, The Resistants (mutants opposed to registration, thus fanning the anti-mutant predjudice), the Watchdogs (a radical grass-roots hate group), and others.
Later, the Skull took up a partnership with the insane, nihilistic Viper (formerly Madame Hydra).
More recently, he took on the Avengers while masquarading as Dell Rusk, Secretary of Defense (jumble the letters of "Dell Rusk", and see what you find), and poisoned a large area around Mount Rushmore.

Most recently, he was involved in a plot with a Russian Black Arms Market dealer involving re-creating the Cosmic Cube. He was shot and killed by a sniper in a double-cross. Steve (Captain America) Rogers confirmed the Skulls' identity.

sentinel for works going far beyond the call of duty for geek
kind I award you 50 geek points

znbrtn wrote:now that cable has lost his telepathy and gained instant access to all electronic information on the planet, i would say that he would be the single greatest threat. however, i do have the utmost faith that he would never use it for any nefarious purposes, other than exposing the newest paris hilton sex tape.

I dunno. there are subtle hints that indicate that he's going down the road to big bad.

I'm just saying, he looks insidious, and a lot of his comments are posessing double meanings.

Batts

(is just saying)

The Red Skull is credited to Jack Kirby and Stan Lee as creators, although there are comic historians who claim that Lee did not actually create the Skull (and a few other Golden Agers).

I will quietly polish my prized Geek Points now.

Ranger is just jealous because I have more than he does.

I'd say that unless she's nullified herself, the Scarlet Witch is clearly the most dangerous individual in the Marvel Universe.