Do you have any house rules for AR

[clawingwolf]

I've never liked the Armour system much in PFRPG, its the AR, i find that many things just have to many bonuses for leathers armours and lower to really have any effect. ANd once a person is mid lvl they could have bonuses that make most armours usless. Now yea with more skill , you would know the weak points of armour and stuff, but still i find armour doesn't protect much.

Does anyone have a alternative system to AR and armour in general, that they would like to share?

[Library Ogre]

I've never liked the Armour system much in PFRPG, its the AR, i find that many things just have to many bonuses for leathers armours and lower to really have any effect. ANd once a person is mid lvl they could have bonuses that make most armours usless. Now yea with more skill , you would know the weak points of armour and stuff, but still i find armour doesn't protect much.

Does anyone have a alternative system to AR and armour in general, that they would like to share?

Take AR and subtract 4. Your armor reduces the damage you take by that amount. On a critical, the attacker has the option of double damage or ignoring armor (if your critical does triple damage, you can do double damage AND ignore armor). Of course, the "slayer" class of magic weapons (demon, deevil, dragon) are essentially automatic critical weapons, meaning they can ignore AR or do double damage.

I have some rules (not brief) on reducing your dexterity due to armor (i.e. a parry/dodge penalty), and some rules which combine parry, dodge, and roll into "defense". Oh, and cutting everyone down to 1 attack per melee (unless they have a phenomenal intitiative), changing how magic and psionics works in combat, and completely re-writing the 4 combat skills into Basic, Unarmed Expert, Armed Expert, Assassin, and Spellcaster.

[Sentinel]

I've had to do things to modify armour slightly over the years of playing Palladium, because I found that either it gave too much protection (Rifts) or not enough (PFRPG).
I went for unifying the AR resistance, so that whether Natural or artificial, Strike Rolls under the AR did no damage. I used the resistance values from Weapons Armour & Castles to provide an additional "layer" of protection from certain types of attacks (some armours are better against smashing attacks than cutting or thrusting, for example).

[Guest]

See Making Armor Useful Again for tons of discussion on different methods of redoing AR in PF.

[Cinos]

I've changed armor to make it much more useful to a person, increasing both S.D.C and A.R. For natural A.R, I changed it so rolls under it still do half (though on some things, i.e stone walls and the like, no damage is dealt).

Cinos

[clawingwolf]

For Natural AR, I'm thinking to turn that into a damage reduction.

[clawingwolf]

This is my friend shanes Ar rules, and these ones work pretty good, what do you all think.

Shanes AR system.

Armour rating, or AR refers to the amount of protection armour
affords its
wearer. This number represents how much of the target is covered and
to
what degree tha armour protects its wearer, and is totaly seperate to
SDC,
in fact some armours have high ARs and low SDC, or the other way
around.
There are in fact two seperate types of AR; Natural Armour Rating and
the
AR gained from protective equipment, and though they both function
similarily they are distinctly different.
Artificial Armour Rating is protection afforded from spells or suits
of
armour. Regardless of the source AR will range from 1-20, though
realisticaly it should only appear between 3-18. AR functions
differently
for different kinds of attack, the two kinds being Unhindered and
Resisted.
Unhindered attacks are any attack which the defender does not roll
against. In such cases the process of dealing with AR is fairly
simple, the
attacker simply rolls to strike and adds in all modifiers, then
compares the
result to the total AR. If the roll is equal to or less than the AR
the
attack has connected with and does damage to the armour, if it is
higher it
applies its damage to the wearer.
Resisted attacks are those where the defender attempts to parry or
dodge,
in this case both characters roll their Strike, Parry, and Dodge as
usual,
than the degender divides their AR by 3. If the attackers roll is
greater
than the degenders, the defender adds the 1/3 AR (rounding down) to
their
roll to Parry/Dodge. If the defenders roll is now eequal/greater then
the
attackers the strike has connected with and does damage to the armour.
Natural AR follows all of the aboce rules, but has one difference.
Normaly strikes that are stopped by the AR do damage to the seperate
SDC of
the armour, in the case of natual AR there is no seperate rating,
however.
So, whenever an attack is stopped by natural AR that attack instead
inflicts
1/2 its normal damage to the characters SDC.
In some cases situations may arise where characters with natural Rs
wish
to wear armour. The system for this is simple, just apply the 1/3
value of
the natural AR to the other AR value to detemine the total AR. Attacks
which are stopped by trhe AR do their damage to the seperate armours
SDC
until it is destroyed.

Character A and Character be are battling for supremecy of the known
universe. Character A swings a stick at B, who will attempt to Parry
with a
broom.
Example A- Character A rolls a 12 to strike, then adds in his +4
from
Hand to Hand, PP, and WP blunt bonuses, for a total roll of 16.
Example B- Character A rolls a 6 to strike, then adds in his +4 Hand
to
Hand, PP, and WP blunt bonuses, for a total roll of 10.
Example C- Character A rolls a 16 to strike, then adds in his +4
Hand to
Hand, PP, and WP blunt bonuses, for a total roll of an un-natural 20.

For all of these examples, Character B attempts to parry, rolling a
10,
then adding in his +4 from Hand to Hand, PP, and WP bonuses, for a
total
roll of 14. Character B is also wearing armour with an AR of 9/3.
In example A the total strike is higher than the total parry, but
within
the +3 from the armour, so the strike hits and does damage to the
armour.
In example B the total strike is lower than the total parry, so the
attack
is parried.
In example C the total strike is higher than the total parry and
higher
than the +3 from the armour, meaning it has hit the character.



Although this may seem complicated, it works very well and quickly as
soon
as everyone understands it.

[clawingwolf]

so doesn't anyone have opinon on the system above?

[Adam of the Old Kingdom]

so doesn't anyone have opinon on the system above?

convoluted for my tastes.