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The Wizard OCC says they can learn spells from scrolls.

The other magic users like the Mystic say specefically they can't.

Now with the Conjurer, it doesn't say they can't learn from scrolls like the other magic using classes do.

Is the scroll learning thing standard to all magic users unless stated otherwise or is it a specific ability that shouldn't have been mentioned in the other OCCs (If they wouldn't get it, why bother saying they don't get it).

Either way, surprise, it's not being done consistantly.

I believe it's a wizard OCC ability and it shouldn't have been mentioned under the other OCCs to begin with, so it wouldn't be something the Conjurer could do.

In OCCs you should only mention exceptions. Abilities they gain that others don't have and abilities that everyone has that they don't have.

In principle, I agree with you.
I have never used the Conjurer, and couldn't say for sure if that was an ability they do or don't have, although if the spell were the sort of spell common to their OCC to begin with, I would allow it.

IMHO, spellcasters who getter their new spell inuitively like warlocks, mystics, priests, etc. can not learn spells from a scroll but can use them.

Ice Dragon wrote:IMHO, spellcasters who getter their new spell inuitively like warlocks, mystics, priests, etc. can not learn spells from a scroll but can use them.

Would you make an allowance for a scholarly Warlock penning his knowledge to create scrolls intended specifically for Warlocks?

Since there are some mages who can use a small group of Elemental spells, I have no problem in letting Warlocks have scroll access, but also under limited conditions.

I would not allow a warlock to create a scroll.

That's a job for the wizards.

lather wrote:I would not allow a warlock to create a scroll.

That's a job for the wizards.

I see your point, but Wizards are permitted to learn (some) Warlock spells (granted, at a higher PPE cost, but still).

Sentinel wrote:

lather wrote:I would not allow a warlock to create a scroll.

That's a job for the wizards.

I see your point, but Wizards are permitted to learn (some) Warlock spells (granted, at a higher PPE cost, but still).

I see they are listed as elemental spells, but I always saw that as for convenience. In other words, they are wizard spells which share the same name as some warlock spells. I do not see it as the wizard crossing over into the metier of the warlock, however. If they are making such a cross over, then it might seem fair to let warlocks do a little crossing over, too.

Library of Bletharad has some info on this, but I think the cases of elemental spells being common are either parallel evolution or wizards who purposefully tried to mimic Elemental spells.

Sentinel wrote:

Ice Dragon wrote:IMHO, spellcasters who getter their new spell inuitively like warlocks, mystics, priests, etc. can not learn spells from a scroll but can use them.

Would you make an allowance for a scholarly Warlock penning his knowledge to create scrolls intended specifically for Warlocks?

Since there are some mages who can use a small group of Elemental spells, I have no problem in letting Warlocks have scroll access, but also under limited conditions.

No scroll making for warlocks. That's a wizard's job. A warlock still can use a scroll, but the power of a warlock comes from his link to one or two elemental powers.

Here's the thing. Warlocks are intuitive casters.

I don't disagree.
I was merely looking at a possible, logical expansion of the Warlock as an organized School of Magery.

It seemed unbalanced to me that Sorcerors (and Wizards and ley Line Walkers and Arcanists) could learn elemental magics, but yet Warlocks couldn't learn out of their circle, and their spells only go to level Eight.
Scrolls seemed to be a good way to get other forms of spells (like Cloud Magic, Ocean magic, Living Fire and Blue Flame Magic) that were related to their elemental orientations.

wizards are magic scollars, they study magic energy to understand it and manipulate it.
Diabolists are also scallars but their branch is the magic of symbols and languages vile.

warlocks are elemental hippies. they do not rely on their superior knowledge but on this link they have to a primal force of nature. they do not somuch as hug trees like druids but hug the ground, water, sky or what ever.
I also see warlocks like witches, just alot more socialy acceptable.

in 1st ed, there were generic skills you could let other mage classes have, like the circle or ward basic stuff. it was very basic, allowing experinced magic users to atleast recognise and use the very very basic skills of other magic classes. like the basic protection cirlces.
this was taken away in 2nd ed when the line between classes was made more distinct.

GM's discression and fairly ballanced basic skills may help give long term PCs that extra knowledge to be more than just a base class.
but I would not let abilities like scroll conversion be available to any but the true scallar magic classes.

and my Pov, it's not so much that the wizard has elemental spels, but has found a way to utilise magic to mimic the kind of magic produces.

I do not know anything about the sorserer, what books is it in?

and, if the GM wanted to alow more classes to use the wizard ability of scroll convertion, they would need to be a learnign spell type class and then maybe it could be an available skill pick at higher level (ie3, 5 7 or hat ever)

I realize it might not have a bearing on Palladium fantasy...

but Rifts Ultimate Edition gives a 10%+2% per level chance for any literate mage to be able to learn a spell from a scroll; unless a particualr OCC lists different chances.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:I realize it might not have a bearing on Palladium fantasy...

but Rifts Ultimate Edition gives a 10%+2% per level chance for any literate mage to be able to learn a spell from a scroll; unless a particualr OCC lists different chances.

it's sort of valid.
GM/house rules, applied with care, are what it's all about.

I do not know anything about the sorserer, what books is it in?

The Palladium Wizard is the Sorceror.

Sentinel wrote:

I do not know anything about the sorserer, what books is it in?

The Palladium Wizard is the Sorceror.

actually the Sorceror OCC is in Nightbane.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Sentinel wrote:

I do not know anything about the sorserer, what books is it in?

The Palladium Wizard is the Sorceror.

actually the Sorceror OCC is in Nightbane.

They're essentially the same thing: Learn magic invocations of any level, regardless of their level, etc.

Sentinel wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Sentinel wrote:

I do not know anything about the sorserer, what books is it in?

The Palladium Wizard is the Sorceror.

actually the Sorceror OCC is in Nightbane.

They're essentially the same thing: Learn magic invocations of any level, regardless of their level, etc.

in that regard--nearly all invocational spellcasters are the same

Sorcerrors have different skills, different skill selections, different starting spells, and most of all somewhat different class powers.

in that regard--nearly all invocational spellcasters are the same

Characters like the Mystic, HU Immortals with spellcasting abilities, Mystic Bestowed, Super-Spies with Spell-casting, and many others are Invocational mages, but there are specific conditions on their invocational abilities.

Skills will vary according to setting, but many of those mages will become more simliar when converted to the new setting (like taking HU or Palladium Wizards to Rifts for example).