New Rifles: FNH Scar, F2000

GhostKnight · Unread post by **GhostKnight** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:57 am

New rifles are coming out. Discuss?

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:52 pm

The SCAR is an interesting beast, but I see little to differentiate it from the other modular, easy to reconfigure rifles out there - other than they expect the operators to switch calibers a little more often most (or is realistic). I expect all that funky calibre changing extra gear will be leftat Fort Bragg when the SF are operating over seas.

The FN2000 is an interesting piece, quite possible thefirst succesful step towards what the OICW was supposed to do.

For those who don't know, the FN2000 is a pretty standard bullpup assault rifle with polymer construction and lots of attachment points for goodies.

Its the goodies that it expects to have attached that make it real interesting. For starters, there's an all in one optics, rangefinder, balistic computer unit.

Yes, I said ballistics computer.

Better still, it's calibrated not only for the rifle, but also for use with an underbarrel 40 mm grenade launcher.

In addition to the 40 there's also a 12 guage shot gun and a compressed air less than lethal riot supression weapon.

What I find really promising is the capability that they will probably add to the rifle in a few years - one all the kinks are worked out.

With a simple sftware upgrade to the balistics computer, it can be used to program the fuses for an air bursting munition.

So, I expect in 3 to 5 years, the FN2000 will be firing air bursting renades (probably 40 mm). It won't have the multi shot capacityof the OICW - unles you play with some metal storm technology - but it will do most of the cool trick shots.

ANother great thing about the FN2000 - because they expect it to use so many electronics, it has an integrated battery pack, meaning it has a longer battery life for all those goodies becase it can use a larger battery. Pretty cool, huh?

All things considered, I think the FN2000 should have been named the FN2015 - because I don't think there will be another rifle capable of doing all it can do in service anywhere before then.

jedi078 · Unread post by **jedi078** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:09 pm

The FN2000 is showcased in the first two Splinter Cell games, using the less then lethal launcher.

Here some tech info about the FN 2000 http://www.fnherstal.com/html/Index.htm

Apparently Slovenia will be using it, but without the super high tech stuff, I believe. http://www.fnherstal.com/html/Index.htm

Grey Death · Unread post by **Grey Death** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:15 pm

FN2000 is definitly the future. There are quite a few countries using or evauting the rifle.

The F2000 rifle is being used by the Belgian Army Special Forces Group since 2004 and is a potential successor to the FNC currently used by the Belgian Armed Forces as a standard assault rifle.
Peruvian special forces supposedly are actively using the F2000 rifle.
Saudi Arabia is rumored to have signed a contract with FN Herstal in 2005 for 50,000 F2000 rifles to complement their P90s.
In June 2006, the Ministry of Defence, Republic of Slovenia, has signed a contract with FN Herstal to purchase 6,500 F2000 rifles as a new standard combat rifle for the Slovenian Armed Forces. This is arguably the first confirmed large-scale adoption for this rifle from a European and NATO member country.
The Norwegian Armed Forces are currently assesing several assault rifles for their new standard combat rifle, among them the F2000. The assesment should be concluded by the end of 2006.

Grey Death · Unread post by **Grey Death** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:28 pm

Had a thought for you. What about the AN-94? Its burst maechanism and accuracy is supposed to great. With additions of a few small things. Such as piccinny rail. This coould be a great rifle. Do you think it has a future?
For those not familiar with the AN-94 http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/nikon.shtml

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:11 pm

The AN-94 does certainly have a future - once the Russians can afford to replace all ther Kalahnakovs (old AK-47s and AKMs as well as the newer AK-74s) with it like they said they would.

For game rules I say the "balanced automatic" mechansm of the AN-94 allows it to do a 2 shot burst wih the accuracy of a single shot. When firing more than 2 shots in the burst it scores one extra hit.

Of course that's under the megaversal rules.

Under the Recon Rules I'd say that in semi-automatic mode each "hit" is actually 2 bullets and in the fully automatic mode, the -1% for fully automatic fire doesn't apply to the first 2 roounds.

Grey Death · Unread post by **Grey Death** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:55 pm

Its an old design. But the Steyr AUG fits a lot of the description of the FN2000. The newer A3 version has all kinds of picatinny rails. It would appear they have made a good rifle, better. http://www.steyrarms.com/index.php?id=33

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:47 pm

I definitely don't see the AUG going away anytime soon. I expect it will have a career like the M-16 or the Kalashnakov or the FAL in terms of longevity - though nothing like them in terms of the number of units sold.

The differnce between the AUG and the FN2000 is that the FN2000 was designed for all the whistles and bells from the ground up, meaning taking it from basic rifle to fully tricked out OICW configuration will have much less effect on the ergonomics and balance of the weapon. It also has that nice integral battery pack for runing all those electrical goodies.

Rockwolf66 · Unread post by **Rockwolf66** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:02 pm

The differnce between the AUG and the FN2000 is that the FN2000 was designed for all the whistles and bells from the ground up

Mind you that Production on the Steyr AUG begain in 1978, well before the designers were thinking about how much weight they could bolt on to a firearm.

As for the FN-2000 I can only go by what real people are saying about the FN-FS2000( the Civilian version).

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=201361

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=200139

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=200894

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=201385

As for the FN-SCAR I have heard very good things about it. Charlie Cutshaw recently wrote a positive article on it. George"Mad Ogre" Hill, of "why I hate the M-16/AR-15" fame likes it.

Why not I just link to others insted of giving my opinions.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as70-e.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_SCAR

http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=650

http://www.madogre.com/Archives/April_2006.htm

and Just so that the people here know what made Mad Ogre infamous.

http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/Hate_the_AR15.htm

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:56 pm

Rockwolf66 wrote:
The differnce between the AUG and the FN2000 is that the FN2000 was designed for all the whistles and bells from the ground up

Mind you that Production on the Steyr AUG begain in 1978, well before the designers were thinking about how much weight they could bolt on to a firearm.

No disagreements there.

GhostKnight · Unread post by **GhostKnight** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:57 pm

The Israel Tavor also falls in this class.

I have a very practical question. Which is the easiest to clean and keep working? I despised the years that I had an M16. Pretty much all I use now is a Glock. Which of the bullpub rifles is the easiest to clean and maintain?

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:48 pm

I hear the AUG pulls apart rather easily.

The L85 family is derived from the AR-18 inner workings (and the experienced that H&K got working with those allowed them to produce the G36) and presumibly is as easy to maintain as them - at least the more recent variants. The early ones were as shoddy as the early M-16s.

Not sure about the FN2000, the FAMAS or the Tavor.

There are a number of Kalashnakov bullpups out there now, but only Armenia has adopted one as a primary service rifle.