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I've been faithful to Palladium for 19 years despite their late release dates

You have a good sized collection of books Duck-Foot?

Citizen Lazlo wrote:After 24 years of waiting for Palladium products I have developed a "oh well" view on the release schedule. Patience is a virtue, as well as being able to take the long view.

I can always game while I wait.

I'm with you there.

Are these books still on schedule? As they seem to have dropped of the radar.

I have been buying Palladium books for a long time and I long ago exhausted all emotion regarding their production schedule. I don't think twice about it until I see the words, "XXX has shipped!"

MASTERMIND wrote:I have been buying Palladium books for a long time and I long ago exhausted all emotion regarding their production schedule. I don't think twice about it until I see the words, "XXX has shipped!"

I must agree with you there, thats exactly my take on it its the only way to be sure. I love the game love the system but a book isn't scheduled for release until its in the warehouse (and if in the warehouse you can bet its on it way to the distributors and me ) and is being shipped to everyone.

i think that these books will sit in development hell like mechinoids space and PF: Old kingdom

Oh I so hope not.

Ridley wrote:i think that these books will sit in development hell like mechinoids space and PF: Old kingdom

Agreeded and seconded.

General_Sarkoff wrote:Another Murmur, another lack of mention of BTS products.

Perhaps you missed what was mentioned in the March 9th Murmur:

Jason Marker dropped by yesterday to do some writing on his BTS-2™ sourcebook...
The Beyond the Supernatural sourcebook Jason Marker is working on is also going to be a crowd pleaser.

So there is apparently a totally different BtS supplement on the way - just not one that would complete the game, necessarily.

Kevin should just turn the project over to someone else. he has enough on his plate as it is. But KS being KS, he has to make sure that he has somthing in every book that his compeny puts out.

captramses wrote:

Ridley wrote:Kevin should just turn the project over to someone else. he has enough on his plate as it is. But KS being KS, he has to make sure that he has somthing in every book that his compeny puts out.

Although I am probably going to get slammed I do agree with you. Enough Kev we know you are a gamer and appreciate your fans but give the project to someone else. Don't burn yourself out.

That will never happen. And I don't say that in an antagonistic way, just an observation. Sometimes I wish Palladium worked faster but then again, Palladium puts out some of the best setting material around. I would hate to see a game line die though before it received any attention.

Kevin has high standards for his products and if you have read a lot of what he has said you see mentions several times that if a writer showed up who was into a product line, could maintain Kevin's vision of the product, and write up to his standards then something could be worked out. Palladium has writers of that caliber but they are tied up in products that sell better (and keep the company alive which was mentioned). What Kevin needs is more writers like that.

And I don't say this to insult anyone. I have seen a lot of incredible work from the fans out there in Rifters and netbooks and what not. So if we assume that the fanbase of these games is very talented and the products Palladium are releasing still maintain that "WOW" then you can get an idea on the caliber of writer it would take to convince Kevin to let someone work on something.

Sorry, rambled a bit. My point is just that I think Kevin needs more top notch writers to augment his already talented crew working for him.

General_Sarkoff wrote:Unfortunately “maintaining Kevin's vision of the product” all too often seems to end up with Kevin saying “that isn’t quite the way I’d do it so put it in my inbox until I have time to completely rewrite it”. In the end we still end up waiting on Kevin anyway. So nothing gets done. At this point one has to consider BTS2 a dead line.

It very well may be, I won't argue that. And Kevin does do that often. I still thinks he needs more top notch writers though.

MASTERMIND wrote:It very well may be, I won't argue that. And Kevin does do that often. I still thinks he needs more top notch writers though.

Well, a writer can be as "top-notch" as you can get and still not deliver something that fits with the editor/creator's vision. Look at what happened with Franzoni writing the script for the Rifts movie.

Warwolf wrote:

MASTERMIND wrote:It very well may be, I won't argue that. And Kevin does do that often. I still thinks he needs more top notch writers though.

Well, a writer can be as "top-notch" as you can get and still not deliver something that fits with the editor/creator's vision. Look at what happened with Franzoni writing the script for the Rifts movie.

Agreed. I just keep thinking about statistics. If we toss enough great writers at Kevin eventually we have to find one that clicks, hehe. *shrugs*

MASTERMIND wrote:

Warwolf wrote:Well, a writer can be as "top-notch" as you can get and still not deliver something that fits with the editor/creator's vision. Look at what happened with Franzoni writing the script for the Rifts movie.

Agreed. I just keep thinking about statistics. If we toss enough great writers at Kevin eventually we have to find one that clicks, hehe. *shrugs*

Well, I don't know about you, but I'm a writer of sorts and would rather not be "tossed" at Kevin. With my luck he'd step out of the way and I'd hit the warehouse floor.

Ninjabunny wrote:Well it's that or we start cloning Kevin.

What you didn't know is that we already have. With the levels of stress that their exposed to, we burn through about one ever couple months... we've been thinking about switching over to a Transferred Intelligence android for the past year or so.

I mean, seriously, why do you think they call him KevSim?

Ninjabunny wrote:

Warwolf wrote:

Ninjabunny wrote:Well it's that or we start cloning Kevin.

What you didn't know is that we already have. With the levels of stress that their exposed to, we burn through about one ever couple months... we've been thinking about switching over to a Transferred Intelligence android for the past year or so.

I mean, seriously, why do you think they call him KevSim?

Why haven't you called Rat Bastered in on the whole cloning thing. I mean he's got like 12 Json Richards setting in his basement, Of course I can't help much I have to deal with a Evil Twin.

Because his work is shoddy compared with the evil masterminds behind KevSim. I mean, all you have to do is look at the stock he's cloning from to tell he's running a low-budget operation.

Thibor wrote:Kevin even wrote in the opening pages for BTS2 that we wouldn't have to wait for over a year for the other books.

and he didnt lie!

no honestly, it sucks that BTS-2 is obviously dying. I read BTS-2 again over the weekend...I think its an incomplete game without the Arcanum and the Tome...also, there are some essentials missing, like equipment and stuff...

I would think that if they would get these books out they may be surprised by how many people actually want them. I'm sure most everyone that has BTS(2) would run out and get the books that are missing. There are enough complaints about these books missing and BTS(2) being an incomplete game that you'd think they'd sell the game better if they'd get them out.

General_Sarkoff wrote:

GreenGhost wrote:I would think that if they would get these books out they may be surprised by how many people actually want them. I'm sure most everyone that has BTS(2) would run out and get the books that are missing. There are enough complaints about these books missing and BTS(2) being an incomplete game that you'd think they'd sell the game better if they'd get them out.

You sir, are a speaker of truth. 90% of us think that BTS-2 is incomplete with out Tome and Arcana; one can then extropolate that a print run of both books set at 90% of the print run of BTS-2 should sell out in short order.

I know I'd buy a copy right away