Rifter 0 Update (September 27 Update on pg. 7)

[Prince Artemis]

All the text files have been sent into Kevin and Wayne for final approval. Will update with more news when I get it.

[Chaos]

All the text files have been sent into Kevin and Wayne for final approval. Will update with more news when I get it.

Sweetness

*Waiting*

Me too I'm a little jumpy about it though kinda fidgeting even

[Chaos]

All the text files have been sent into Kevin and Wayne for final approval. Will update with more news when I get it.

Sweetness

*Waiting*

Me too I'm a little jumpy about it though kinda fidgeting even

You one of the contributors?

Nope I just get excited over stuff like this I like spoofing PDF's (for myself with house rules and board contrbutions) and am anxious to see what an official PDF would look like. I just want to see how good mine really are and this is the first official - unofficial PDF to be made officially available as a fan project. I guess its just so I can compare formats and such plus I have heard there is some great material going into it

[BookWyrm]

So, Rifter #0 will be available as a PDF? If so, how much?

[BookWyrm]

Well, once I see it, I'll save it to CD-rom. Then I can take it to a Kinko's or my local printer shop & have them print it up.

[Chaos]

Well, once I see it, I'll save it to CD-rom. Then I can take it to a Kinko's or my local printer shop & have them print it up.

Really? If they do that they are breaking the law man, Kinko's doesn't touch copyrighted work or they didn't used to I couldn't even copy my stuff out of Sci-Fi Monthly!

[Prince Artemis]

Price is still unknown exactly, but both myself and Kevin agree that it's going to be cheap, considering that with the possible exception of bandwith costs, this project has cost them nothing. My idea is to use it as a donation incentive like web comics use, but it's entirely up to them. I can only make suggestions as far as that goes.

There IS reprintable content in Rifter0 with specific notes for some of it to that effect. One entry that was great for this and I can see GM's and players using it a lot for making characters. One thing that surprised me was that no one submitted a character sheet idea, which would have been put in almost automatically as long as it looked good. Ah well, maybe someone will for the possible Rifter0.1

When I combined all the material i had into one file, at 12 point font, there was 104 pages. That's not including my letter, kevin's letter, the news pages, and the catalogue. Now, that was pre-approval, so they may cut some stuff out. That's just what I saw so far.

The art is still being worked on and i liked what I saw. There's not enough however so there will be some legit palladium art in it by the end. Kevin was surprised I even tried to get my own art for it in the first place

So, aside from any questions about specific content, I'm willing to answer any questions you guys might have.

[BookWyrm]

Well, once I see it, I'll save it to CD-rom. Then I can take it to a Kinko's or my local printer shop & have them print it up.

Really? If they do that they are breaking the law man, Kinko's doesn't touch copyrighted work or they didn't used to I couldn't even copy my stuff out of Sci-Fi Monthly!

I meant after I purchase it.

[Chaos]

Well, once I see it, I'll save it to CD-rom. Then I can take it to a Kinko's or my local printer shop & have them print it up.

Really? If they do that they are breaking the law man, Kinko's doesn't touch copyrighted work or they didn't used to I couldn't even copy my stuff out of Sci-Fi Monthly!

I meant after I purchase it.

I know BookWyrm, I just didn't think any kinko's or copy max would do stuff like that because of the trouble I'd had with my short story (but that was back in '92) I figured it would have to be done at home and of inferior quality, I wasn't lashing out I was more in Awe and was telling you what they told me and surprised they would do it because of copyright laws. I forget you all can't see the look on my face or the gestures I make when I post, which is probably a good thing for a few people

[BookWyrm]

It's cool, Chaos. If there's a problem, I'll print out the reciept & show them. But if they can't do it, I'll print it up myself.

[Prince Artemis]

You could say Rifter0 Contributer

[Prince Artemis]

Well, I have about as much authority as anyone else. But when it comes out and your stuff is in it, it's not like your lying right?

[Chaos]

It's cool, Chaos. If there's a problem, I'll print out the reciept & show them. But if they can't do it, I'll print it up myself.

Me too

Can't wait to see it!

Prince what do you think our chances are for getting another one the 0.1 you mentioned, because it takes me a while to write. I constantly go back and edit and revise my manuscript several times before I am happy with it and I would love to try to get in a future one. I'm not confident enough in my skills to run anything in front of Wayne yet though. I think an unofficial project like this would be great to get my feet wet on though.

[Prince Artemis]

It's cool, Chaos. If there's a problem, I'll print out the reciept & show them. But if they can't do it, I'll print it up myself.

Me too

Can't wait to see it!

Prince what do you think our chances are for getting another one the 0.1 you mentioned, because it takes me a while to write. I constantly go back and edit and revise my manuscript several times before I am happy with it and I would love to try to get in a future one. I'm not confident enough in my skills to run anything in front of Wayne yet though. I think an unofficial project like this would be great to get my feet wet on though.

0.1 would depend on a few factors. 1) That Kevin and the guys use this one. 2) That the authorize a second one. 3) That I get enough printable material to do so.

Also, keep in mind that they are still the ones that ultimately get the final say in what does and doesn't get in. I can think of atleast one submission that won't get in this time around, possibly two (The latter is actually mine. It occured to me after I sent it that I didn't proof read the update I gave it. Spent too much time working on the other stuff I forgot about my own contribution).

So, it's very much a wait and see situation.

As it stands, even if they DO let me do another one, then it will likely be next year, with November 30th being the submission deadline. DON'T send stuff now though. Wait and see how successful this one is.

[Chaos]

As it stands, even if they DO let me do another one, then it will likely be next year, with November 30th being the submission deadline. DON'T send stuff now though. Wait and see how successful this one is.

That would be perfect for me I'll start working on something and hey if it don't work out I'll just send it to Wayne and pray for him to like it and rush off to add it to the next issue post haste

Whats the worst that can happen after all lol they say no and I just start writing something else for my next attempt

[cmbtbiker]

It would be nice if they took stuff that wasn't up to Rifter standards per se but still cool and used some of it for Rifter 0.1. Another outlet for us fans can't hurt right.

[Prince Artemis]

It would be nice if they took stuff that wasn't up to Rifter standards per se but still cool and used some of it for Rifter 0.1. Another outlet for us fans can't hurt right.

The stuff I did receive was all up to Rifter standards though. The one article that i said probably won't get in (aside from mine) was a Second article submitted by someone. The first was a rather great Robotech adventure. Since the contract hasn't been finished for that yet though, I couldn't include it in this edition and I suggested the contributor send it to palladium anyway since they could put it in the Rifter once everything was finalized.

One article was taken from Rifter0 because palladium wanted it for something else I won't say what but it was a good adventure and KS wanted to see if they could use it themselves.

The stuff that is in there though is really good and I'm going to be calling KS today to see what the progress is.

[Spinachcat]

Printing a PDF for personal use does not violate copyright. Selling a printed PDF is another issue entirely. Other than Kinkos, you may want to consider Lulu.com or PrintFu.org if you would like to print out a single copy for personal usage.

Personally, I have never had a problem with single copy printing with Kinkos. They only time they ever asked me about copyright was when I was doing 10+ copies of a hefty document (which was my own work).

Here's another idea for printing. Crank out the pages on a laser printer. Then go to Kinkos for them to cut holes and bind right while you wait. That would be your fastest / possibly cheapest route.

Remember - you can't sell a PDF you printed, not even on eBay unless you own the rights. However, creating a copy on CD for your own file storage or printing a personal copy is yokey-dokey-smokey.

BTW, thank you big time to Prince Artemis for leading the charge on the Rifter 0 project. I hope you get to work out something so you can host the Rifter 0 on RPGnow and Lulu.com in the future - especially RPGnow since they are the Big Dog of the RPG PDF world.

[Prince Artemis]

you do realize that the distance between any two numbers is infinate right?

going the route of 0.# doesn't limit me to 9, because I can just go 0.##

Anyway, let's not get ahead of ourselves shall we? I'm still waiting for news on 0

[Prince Artemis]

Talked to Wayne. They have the email with all the files, but they haven't had time to look them over. Which is fine. This project is to help them not take up valuable time.

[Prince Artemis]

Still no further word.

[MASTERMIND]

Was this a random project you started working on or did you get the green light before working on it? Just curious.

[Prince Artemis]

It was an idea he came up with and received approval from the Powers That Be.

Well, to be more accurate, I didn't come up with it. When Kevin first announced the crisis, me and a whole bunch of others were brainstorming ways that we could help. This was one of the ideas that came up but no one really ran with it. After a while I figured, what the heck, I'll give it a shot.

Kevin's liked the idea since I suggested it, but it will take some time for them to read through everything and give the final ok.

[Zenvis]

It's cool, Chaos. If there's a problem, I'll print out the reciept & show them. But if they can't do it, I'll print it up myself.

Me too

Can't wait to see it!

Prince what do you think our chances are for getting another one the 0.1 you mentioned, because it takes me a while to write. I constantly go back and edit and revise my manuscript several times before I am happy with it and I would love to try to get in a future one. I'm not confident enough in my skills to run anything in front of Wayne yet though. I think an unofficial project like this would be great to get my feet wet on though.

I find sitting on it for a month or two and rereading or having others read it allows for the errors that you missed to come out.

[verdilak]

Anything new heard about it? Would have been sweet if it was ready by the OH.

[Novastar]

uh ok. lets just say ive been living on mars in a cave with my hands over my ears. what is this about a Rifter #0

A Rifter in PDF only format.

*Edit* And I've never been to Mars, it's too red.

I never could quite grok the residents...

[Prince Artemis]

Has the time for submitting art already passed? Saddly this is the first I've heard of this and I'd love to include some work.

That all depends really, since due to a bit of idiocy on my part the contracts just made it out to palladium last week for them to start looking over the submissions, and then they have to get back to me. So, tentatively I would say yes, however you'll need to send the art and an unsolicited submission form to them with a note saying it's for rifter0.

I'm more then happy to take more art, seeing as half the artists that volunteered didn't actually produce anything for me.

[Prince Artemis]

Just a bit of an update. Rifter0 and the USM Contracts are in Kevin and Wayne's hands and they will be going over the material sometime in the near future (though honestly, I don't mind them taking their time, there's a lot on their plate as it is). Kevin will work up some contracts for the good stuff and send them out to those that got the okay. Then, I'll be going over the material and putting it together into the pdf and sending it back to them for them to finish anything they want to finish, like attaching a catalogue and what not. So, progress is being made.

[rebis]

I'm more then happy to take more art, seeing as half the artists that volunteered didn't actually produce anything for me.

I'm sorry to see that more artist didn't step up. I would of liked to do more, so if you need help in the future let me know. Also maybe a little more room for bigger and more complex drawings is always good.

[rebis]

Hopefully Kevin deems my work fit to be included in the final product!

Either way, I'm up for doing more artwork for Rifter #0 type things in the future, if you need me.

I'm sure that your make it in the Rifter #0, I just checked out your dA account. It looks real good.

[Prince Artemis]

By the way, Rifter 0 now has a cover

[verdilak]

By the way, Rifter 0 now has a cover

You say that, but no preview pic. Tease. And not in the good way.

[Prince Artemis]

By the way, Rifter 0 now has a cover

You say that, but no preview pic. Tease. And not in the good way.

You'll all see it soon enough.

[Prince Artemis]

Um, to settle this, i'll see with Kevin if it would be okay to put an 'okay to be reprinted' notice inside it....no promises though.

[Spinachcat]

Um, to settle this, i'll see with Kevin if it would be okay to put an 'okay to be reprinted' notice inside it....no promises though.

You may want to look up the printing license agreements on RPGnow and other PDF sites. Usually, the owner of the PDF has the right to unlimited reprints for personal use only, no resale. Usually the digital rights are for one copy per computer for personal use plus permission for a CD backup file.

Many PDF publishers also give you free updates, so if Rifter #0 needs to be erratta'd or gets additional art past the deadline or even a new article added, then everyone who bought the PDF gets the upgraded PDF for free.

Since its all digital, it costs the publisher nothing to give out these upgraded copies and the fans feel good about the initial purchase.

[Prince Artemis]

Many PDF publishers also give you free updates, so if Rifter #0 needs to be erratta'd or gets additional art past the deadline or even a new article added, then everyone who bought the PDF gets the upgraded PDF for free.

Since its all digital, it costs the publisher nothing to give out these upgraded copies and the fans feel good about the initial purchase.

The only problem there is Palladium isn't producing the finished product. I am. And once it's as finished as i can get it, then I hand it over to them for them to put up and my part in all this is done. Meaning the person who would do the updates isn't going to be able to do any updates. While that's a good system and all, it doesn't work with this particular set up.

[Subjugator]

I meant after I purchase it.

That would still be illegal.

-Dennis

[Subjugator]

I know BookWyrm, I just didn't think any kinko's or copy max would do stuff like that because of the trouble I'd had with my short story (but that was back in '92) I figured it would have to be done at home and of inferior quality, I wasn't lashing out I was more in Awe and was telling you what they told me and surprised they would do it because of copyright laws. I forget you all can't see the look on my face or the gestures I make when I post, which is probably a good thing for a few people

The one time I've had to print something that was copyrighted at Kinkos, I had to get a signed contract from the publisher allowing me to print a copy for use as a greeting card. It was a Userfriendly comic strip that I made into a Mother's Day card.

-Dennis

[Spinachcat]

The one time I've had to print something that was copyrighted at Kinkos, I had to get a signed contract from the publisher allowing me to print a copy for use as a greeting card.

Next time, go in with your Crazy headplugs. They won't ask any more questions!

[Novastar]

The one time I've had to print something that was copyrighted at Kinkos, I had to get a signed contract from the publisher allowing me to print a copy for use as a greeting card.

Next time, go in with your Crazy headplugs. They won't ask any more questions!

...instead they'll call the cops!

(seriously, I get the oddest questions if I wear my "I helped save the Megaverse..." shirt, when I do weekend errands! )

[Spinachcat]

Any news?

[Prince Artemis]

Kevin and Wayne liked most of it and they'll be sending out the contracts soon

[Prince Artemis]

viewtopic.php?t=76738

If you missed it. He finally mentioned the project. I really should get to finalizing my submission for it...

[Aramanthus]

Cool! Congrats! Hopefully it'll be released soon!

[Steve Dubya]

Any further word on this?

[Aramanthus]

Just checking any further updates?

[Prince Artemis]

Kev will be sending out contracts soon, then i just have to final edit some stuff and then do layout. Depending on the contracts it might be out by november.

[Aramanthus]

Any idea how much it's going to run? Can we call them to order it?

[Prince Artemis]

Any idea how much it's going to run? Can we call them to order it?

No idea, but it's not going to be much. As for ordering it, it's not going to be an actual book but a pdf download.

[Aramanthus]

So I wonder if we can call in and order it that way. And then get some sort of downloading code? I'll keep checking back in for updates. Thanks for the update!