Telekinesis

[Library Ogre]

Someone suggested this in an old topic "creative uses of telekinesis"

"And lastly it you want to sink to an all time low there is one bad trick you can do, but it only works if your opponent is male."

I honestly have no idea what they ment.

But could telekinesis be used to affect a person as a distraction, say, you know where you poke someones sides and they jerk, is that possible?

(Also, what the hell did that guy mean?)

Grab little Mr. Happy. Make your opponent unhappy.

This, incidentally, is not something I would allow. I actually wrote a sizable article on TK and ectoplasm, that I'm hoping will see Rifter #40.

[Library Ogre]

My article makes some fairly big assumptions about the nature of metaphysics in the Megaverse; I think it makes things more coherent, but it's not 100% supported by canon (though I do not believe it is anywhere contradicted by canon... just not supported by it, either).

I've got it available, if you like; e-mail me for a copy.

[Library Ogre]

If you want to discuss it, here's fine; might as well get others curious.

[Library Ogre]

Telekinesis is, in a lot of ways, simpler. You want to do something, you do it. If it's visible and within range, you can put ISP into your mental PS and try to lift it. Ectoplasm requires creating the ectoplasm, has a maximum PS, and takes time.

However, it's also got a sense of touch and a lot more fine control.

[asajosh]

With ectoplasm alone you could poke someone in the ribs, but they'd probly turn and look and see the ecto trail.

If you used TK you'd have to jab them with a pebble or stik that you were controlling.

[Nekira Sudacne]

My article makes some fairly big assumptions about the nature of metaphysics in the Megaverse; I think it makes things more coherent, but it's not 100% supported by canon (though I do not believe it is anywhere contradicted by canon... just not supported by it, either).

I've got it available, if you like; e-mail me for a copy.

Hit me up with a copy. Though be warned, it may spawn an e-mail argument about the nature of the megaverse that could last for eternity

[Library Ogre]

My article makes some fairly big assumptions about the nature of metaphysics in the Megaverse; I think it makes things more coherent, but it's not 100% supported by canon (though I do not believe it is anywhere contradicted by canon... just not supported by it, either).

I've got it available, if you like; e-mail me for a copy.

Hit me up with a copy. Though be warned, it may spawn an e-mail argument about the nature of the megaverse that could last for eternity

When have we ever disagreed, Ms. Nekira?

[Sgt Anjay]

Okay, uncle....I'm curious. Hit me up with the tk goodness.

[Sgt Anjay]

Thanks much!

Ok, I have a question.....could a Mystic cast a spell through ectoplasm, using it to get into a specific range, fire from a certain angle, or deliver touch spells?

[Library Ogre]

Thanks much!

Ok, I have a question.....could a Mystic cast a spell through ectoplasm, using it to get into a specific range, fire from a certain angle, or deliver touch spells?

In the version presented in my article, yes; your ectoplasm is part of you, so it would be similar to stretching out your arm.

[Sgt Anjay]

Outstanding....the implications are boggling. I need to roll up a Mystic, stat :demon:
I have to say, I really like what you did with the subject matter and hope it gets published.

[verdilak]

I'm curious, can I see it?

From what little I have gathered here, you seem to be of the opinion that you could use a stick to jab someone, but not use TK to jab them without a medium. So therefor, no grabbing of mr. happy. But what if you used TK on those little rubberbands they use on male cattle, used TK to widen the rubberband enough, then let it go????

[Library Ogre]

I'm curious, can I see it?

From what little I have gathered here, you seem to be of the opinion that you could use a stick to jab someone, but not use TK to jab them without a medium. So therefor, no grabbing of mr. happy. But what if you used TK on those little rubberbands they use on male cattle, used TK to widen the rubberband enough, then let it go????

You would need to e-mail me a request, via the board's e-mail links; I'm not posting a 12 page article on the board.

[Library Ogre]

Nexx should make all spells this versatile.

Psionic power, not necessarily the spell.

[Killer Cyborg]

With ectoplasm alone you could poke someone in the ribs, but they'd probly turn and look and see the ecto trail.

If you used TK you'd have to jab them with a pebble or stik that you were controlling.

Exactly.

[Killer Cyborg]

you wouldn't even have to use a pebble or stick. Just use TK to gently push on their skin. The trick is not using enough force to push THEM

TK moves objects, it doesn't exert pressure on them.

[Talavar]

If telekinesis doesn't exert its own force in Palladium-world, how can telekinetic force fields exist?

[Killer Cyborg]

If telekinesis doesn't exert its own force in Palladium-world, how can telekinetic force fields exist?

No explanation is given.
Probably it automatically repells all incoming attacks by moving (or stopping) the incoming bullets/swords/energy/etc.

[asajosh]

If telekinesis doesn't exert its own force in Palladium-world, how can telekinetic force fields exist?

No explanation is given.
Probably it automatically repells all incoming attacks by moving (or stopping) the incoming bullets/swords/energy/etc.

Thats how I've always pictured TK force field. The bullet, in a an action so quick it can only be captured on high speed film, completely changes direction a few inches from the targe'ts skin wih no apparent physical contact. What's actually happened is the TK field has "grabbed" the projecticle and thrown it in a random direction.

[Library Ogre]

If telekinesis doesn't exert its own force in Palladium-world, how can telekinetic force fields exist?

No explanation is given.
Probably it automatically repells all incoming attacks by moving (or stopping) the incoming bullets/swords/energy/etc.

My view is that it holds the air around the target rigid... not moving it, but keeping it from moving.

[Talavar]

Has it ever been stated in any rules that telekinesis doesn't exert its own force, rather than creating some sort of sympathetic reaction in targeted matter? Because it seems to me you guys are doing a lot of rationalization-heavy lifting to make that theory work. If tk force field isn't a solid wall of telekinetic force, it shouldn't stop energy attacks like lasers, magic, or other psionic energy. If it's just the atmosphere told by telekinesis to be rigid, the power shouldn't work in outer space/a vacuum - and we have no indication of that being the case.

[asajosh]

Has it ever been stated in any rules that telekinesis doesn't exert its own force, rather than creating some sort of sympathetic reaction in targeted matter? Because it seems to me you guys are doing a lot of rationalization-heavy lifting to make that theory work. If tk force field isn't a solid wall of telekinetic force, it shouldn't stop energy attacks like lasers, magic, or other psionic energy. If it's just the atmosphere told by telekinesis to be rigid, the power shouldn't work in outer space/a vacuum - and we have no indication of that being the case.

TK FF exerts force on Cosmic Strings, the building blocks of reality itself, to work in a vacuum and block energy weapons. THAT is streching!

Or maybe the name "Telekinetic" is a mis-nomer. Perhaps if it was called Psychic Force Field we could resolve this. Just play it that the power creates a force field of "psychic energy" to create a barrier around the user.
Telekinesis itself works on the physical (pretty well spelled out in RUE pg 169), but its still not an "invisible hand" coming out of the psychic's head (like in the Marvel Super Heros RPG).

[Killer Cyborg]

Has it ever been stated in any rules that telekinesis doesn't exert its own force, rather than creating some sort of sympathetic reaction in targeted matter?

"Telekinesis is the ability to move objects without any other means than directed psychic energy."

Granted, it doesn't say whether this energy is tangible in of itself or not, but if it was, then you could do damage with TK directly, instead of relying on objects.

It also specifically states, "Telekinesis moves, lifts, and throws physical objects with the power of the mind, so it may be used to hurl a victim into something as a slam attack, but NOT as a crushing or thrusting attack in of itself.

Because it seems to me you guys are doing a lot of rationalization-heavy lifting to make that theory work.

Seems pretty elementary to me.

If tk force field isn't a solid wall of telekinetic force, it shouldn't stop energy attacks like lasers, magic, or other psionic energy.

TK Force Field is a force field.
TK is not.
Other than having "TK" in the title of the power, TK force field does not bear any resembelance to the other TK powers.

There is no explanation for how exactly the power functions, and I doubt that the writers put much thought into it, so we're left on our own.

If it's just the atmosphere told by telekinesis to be rigid, the power shouldn't work in outer space/a vacuum - and we have no indication of that being the case.

Or that it's not the case.
The rules were written under the assumption that there's an atmosphere to work with.

[Library Ogre]

If it's just the atmosphere told by telekinesis to be rigid, the power shouldn't work in outer space/a vacuum - and we have no indication of that being the case.

Good point. Ah, well, in that case, it uses telekinesis to erect a wall of subatomic particles.

(Actually, using my theory of telekinesis, TKFF doesn't really work as TK, unless it's applied to other people and objects. However, when you rename it Psychic Forcefield, it does, because you finesse issues like that)

[glitterboy2098]

If telekinesis doesn't exert its own force in Palladium-world, how can telekinetic force fields exist?

No explanation is given.
Probably it automatically repells all incoming attacks by moving (or stopping) the incoming bullets/swords/energy/etc.

Thats how I've always pictured TK force field. The bullet, in a an action so quick it can only be captured on high speed film, completely changes direction a few inches from the targe'ts skin wih no apparent physical contact. What's actually happened is the TK field has "grabbed" the projecticle and thrown it in a random direction.

actually, i always think of the movie Akira, when Tetsuo stops the tank shell in mid air.

the TK:FF works like technological ones. an incoming object/beam is detected, and energy is used to deflect/disperse the incoming. in a tech FF, energy used is usually gravitic. in a TK:FF, it's telekinetic. for a tech FF, detection is usualy via some fancy sensor. in a TK:FF, it's via precognitive ability.

thus why the TK:FF is a seperate ability. it really is both TK and precognative. you become aware of incoming subconsciously moments prior to it happening, and reflexively use TK to block it.

[asajosh]

If telekinesis doesn't exert its own force in Palladium-world, how can telekinetic force fields exist?

No explanation is given.
Probably it automatically repells all incoming attacks by moving (or stopping) the incoming bullets/swords/energy/etc.

Thats how I've always pictured TK force field. The bullet, in a an action so quick it can only be captured on high speed film, completely changes direction a few inches from the targe'ts skin wih no apparent physical contact. What's actually happened is the TK field has "grabbed" the projecticle and thrown it in a random direction.

actually, i always think of the movie Akira, when Tetsuo stops the tank shell in mid air.

the TK:FF works like technological ones. an incoming object/beam is detected, and energy is used to deflect/disperse the incoming. in a tech FF, energy used is usually gravitic. in a TK:FF, it's telekinetic. for a tech FF, detection is usualy via some fancy sensor. in a TK:FF, it's via precognitive ability.

thus why the TK:FF is a seperate ability. it really is both TK and precognative. you become aware of incoming subconsciously moments prior to it happening, and reflexively use TK to block it.

I'm convinced

[Talavar]

If telekinesis doesn't exert its own force in Palladium-world, how can telekinetic force fields exist?

No explanation is given.
Probably it automatically repells all incoming attacks by moving (or stopping) the incoming bullets/swords/energy/etc.

Thats how I've always pictured TK force field. The bullet, in a an action so quick it can only be captured on high speed film, completely changes direction a few inches from the targe'ts skin wih no apparent physical contact. What's actually happened is the TK field has "grabbed" the projecticle and thrown it in a random direction.

actually, i always think of the movie Akira, when Tetsuo stops the tank shell in mid air.

the TK:FF works like technological ones. an incoming object/beam is detected, and energy is used to deflect/disperse the incoming. in a tech FF, energy used is usually gravitic. in a TK:FF, it's telekinetic. for a tech FF, detection is usualy via some fancy sensor. in a TK:FF, it's via precognitive ability.

thus why the TK:FF is a seperate ability. it really is both TK and precognative. you become aware of incoming subconsciously moments prior to it happening, and reflexively use TK to block it.

Two problems with this: the TK - FF is airtight, meaning it doesn't just activate when attacked, but is continually present, and TK can't normally effect energy, like light, but the TK - FF can.