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IIRC, creatures summoned via tattoos do not have psychic or magic powers.

I'm away from my books at the moment; I'll check this when I get home.

gadrin wrote:snip...

However the Sense Magic ability has me baffled. Is it for finding something like a Rune Sword or ??? (so they stay away from it ?)

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The Sense Magic ability such as the LLW's lets the user sense/see active magic and things with more then the minimum amount of PPE. But it is easier to sense active magic;such as a Spell in the middle of its duration; then latent magic; such as a charged PPE clip or a person with lots of PPE.

With PSI Sense it more like a giger counter.

It appears I was wrong. That was the ruling the GM used, though I now can't recall where he produced it from, and can't find anything similar.

Mark Hall wrote:It appears I was wrong. That was the ruling the GM used, though I now can't recall where he produced it from, and can't find anything similar.

Maybe the fact they are ectoplasm and not actual animals. The would have all the physical abilities of the animals but not mental, that is if one were to judge based on this rather than the explicit statement that they act as the animals do in every way.

...the tattoo glows, disappears from his arm, and reappears as a dull grey, life size animal protector. Note: The animals aren't actually alive, but composed of a magic, ectoplasm-like substance.

So yes they are ectoplasm-like... by canon


And the section that talks about their having all of the normal animal abilities is followed buy

Birds fly and claw, canines bite and run, felines climb and stalk, bulls charge and ram, snakes slither and bite, and so on.

Which you may note are all physical abilities. This may or may not be an oversite where the writer fails to mention that they have animals psionics but I wonder If they're not ment to only be physical replicas of animals.

I never thought to use my owls psionic abilites with my T-man so I cannot say what my GM would have done for sure but I would guess that he would have ruled no and I would have agreed and would rule no also if it came up in any game I GMed.

I'll also point out that Monster Shaping tattoos don't give you anything other than shape... you might shape yourself like a Great Horned Dragon, but you can't breathe fire. And if a monster-shaping tattoo can't grant those powers, explicitly, our rationale was that other tattoos couldn't grant them, implicitly.

Mark Hall wrote:I'll also point out that Monster Shaping tattoos don't give you anything other than shape... you might shape yourself like a Great Horned Dragon, but you can't breathe fire. And if a monster-shaping tattoo can't grant those powers, explicitly, our rationale was that other tattoos couldn't grant them, implicitly.

Good rationale IMO.

gadrin wrote:

gadrin wrote:
from Atlantis p88 -- The magic animals act like the animals illustrated in the tattoo in everyway and have all the abilities the real animal would possess.

except it also says that, not: "Forget everything we wrote before this."

what page or book is the ecto-stuff on ?

anyway, I'm not talking about the tatoo owner using the power, it's just the animals will be a bit more aware. Since they follow the creator's spoken word it might be a little bit of a bonus or advantage.

p.88 of Atlantis same place the other animal tattoo info is.

gadrin wrote:

Thinyser wrote:

Mark Hall wrote:It appears I was wrong. That was the ruling the GM used, though I now can't recall where he produced it from, and can't find anything similar.

Maybe the fact they are ectoplasm and not actual animals. The would have all the physical abilities of the animals but not mental, that is if one were to judge based on this rather than the explicit statement that they act as the animals do in every way.

yes, you're right they are ecto, but get everything else the normal animals gets.

hmmm, they'd look weird with that grey-crap all over them.

They ARE the grey crap though and though... its not just covering a normal animal.

And personally I think they would get just the physical abilities of animals not their mental ones.