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I was just reading through Kitsune's Robotech vehicles, and it got me to thinking, are there ANY Submarines in use during any of the wars?? Also, would it be possible to convert any subs (other than the Daeduleus and Prometheus) for inter-spacial travel??

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Rathorc Lemenger.

in regards to the second question, let me explain....no, there is too much. let me sum up.


no.



submarines are pathetically illsuited to space operations. they might be able to handle the vacuum, but they lack the heat dissapating systems needed, the sensors needed, the storage space needed, and the weapons needed.

and by the time you've refit a submarine to have those, you'll have spent as much time, effort, and money as building a spaceship from the ground up. if not more so.

the prometheous and daedalus got around this by becoming smaller components of a larger craft, which had all the heat dissipators, weapons, storage, and sensors a space craft needs. all they really had to do is plug pipes from the reactor cooling systems (remember, a sub uses outside water for coolant) to the SDF-1's cooling systems.

There isn't anything official for Robotech concerning subs.

I would suggest watching Macrass Zero for ideas of what you may incorporate into your game idea for a sub. The anti-UN forces had a sub that carried fighters (SV-51's). Other than that, I would just use the current known subs of today for reference. Trident, Virginia, Seawolf, etc. I'm sure someone might even have a nice list of EBSIS subs.

one of the big reasons we don't see submarines much in robotech is the fact that so much of the action is land or space based.

we don't have much of anything on naval operations in robotech, beyond a few "filler" scense from Macross showing carriers at macross island, and those patrol boats found by Benards group in new gen.

we have to assume that prior to the rain of death naval ops were pretty much the same as they are now, and that afterwards they were mostly superceeded by the need to build "black ocean" warships like the SDF-3, Ikazuchi's, garfish, and all those ASC ships.

presumably the subs in use during the macross period were Los Angeles and Seawolf classes, Ohio classes, and the rest of the cold war designs.

they'd be overshadowed by the big Submersible carriers and landing ships built by the RDF. but those were submersible only as defense from space based weapons.

most naval ships to survive the RoD were probably submersibles or submarines, which could outlast the effects of the bombardment under the waves (away from all that dangerous fallout).

the prometheous and daedalus got around this by becoming smaller components of a larger craft, which had all the heat dissipators, weapons, storage, and sensors a space craft needs. all they really had to do is plug pipes from the reactor cooling systems (remember, a sub uses outside water for coolant) to the SDF-1's cooling systems.

In Episode 3 "Space Fold" you can see "Aircraft Carriers" of the same appearance in service with the ARMD/Orberth fleet already in orbit in multiple shots, and flying carriers during the Fold (along with the 2 carriers in the harbor). There is also a similiar vessel in a NG era static shot in the first episode in orbit around "Mars".

That means one of 3 things:
A. There are human RT Spacecraft that resembled watercraft for some reason.

B. They are all the same crafts, the Fold did not give them time to switch configurations as the Fold did not seem to work as expected (Gloval wasn't expecting to take Macross Island with them, nor to end up at Pluto). The eventual SDF-1 Carrier arms could then be made to operate easily in space vs another submersible vessel that did not have a "space" mode.

Gloval does make a comment about them being just "aircraft carriers". However, that could mean they would have been in aircraft carrier mode so when the Fold bubble collapsed, nothing was in place to save the crew. This was in reply to an attempt to raise those carriers by the bridge crew, so they must have thought they could have survived the Fold for some reason.

C. Animation Error. There are multiple shots though, suggesting if it was an error it was a running gag for the episode.

actually i agree, most of my bit was on the possibilities of refitting, say, a Seawolf class sub as a space ship.

the Submersible carriers and landing ships seem to have the same artificial gravity and antigravity systems as the SDF-1, (which would have made them more effective as subs, as well as let them reach orbit), but i'd be doubtful if they could do much more than orbit earth. beyond a certain distance anti-grav would be a losing proposition as a propulsion method.

perhaps the "space mode" of the ships was added to the designs as a stopgap until the ARMD network was fully operational? the ability to "raise ship" and bring a few wings of veritechs into orbit would have been a good way to fill in the gaps of defense should an attack occur before the ARMD's were finished.

of course, gloval's line could also mean "they're just aircraft carriers" as in "they just carry fighters and mecha, they lack the guns and missiles of the ARMD platforms we were supposed to have".


either way, the prommie and Daedalus were not just submarines, which was why they could be set up to work in space.

(BTW, anyone else think that if the EBSIS makes a comeback, their Prometheus carrier should be renamed Korolev? )

A ballistic missile sub, with the aide of say a spotter like Cat's Eye Recon, is an effective anti-space platform. You can't detect subs from space and nuclear powered subs can last six months or more under water.

Any Zentraedi landing sites near the shores can be nuked and destroyed.

Peacebringer wrote:A ballistic missile sub, with the aide of say a spotter like Cat's Eye Recon, is an effective anti-space platform. You can't detect subs from space and nuclear powered subs can last six months or more under water.

Any Zentraedi landing sites near the shores can be nuked and destroyed.

actually you can detect submerged subs from space, it's just harder.

and nuclear subs can technically operate for decades submerged, since their reactors will un for that long and they extract O2 and freshwater from the surrounding water.
it's usually food and psychology that limits how long a sub can operate at a time. usually 120 days or so before it has to return to base. which is good, because the crew will have started to show psychological stress around that time, cooped up in a tincan, sleeping in all too short shifts, running on a watch schedule that doesn't quite fit natural circadian rhythms..


and yes, a SSBN with missiles able to reach space would make a ok stopgap PDC (planetary defense center), but the difficulties in doing so would restrict their use.

the question was more about taking a sub and turning it into a vacuum worthy spaceship, which is not an easy task, requiring you to basically rebuild the sub from the keel up.

The Ohios and the Virginias would still be operating within the USN guring the global war.

actually, the Virginia's weren't delivered until after 1999 in our reality, so it is unlikely they arrived in time to take part in the Global War.

and with the UEG funnelling so much into building the ARMD's, grand cannons, mecha, submersible carriers, and such, the Seawolf's and Virginia's would end up as a handful of advanced submarines with no war to fight. i can see them still in use as peacekeepers to keep shipping lanes safe from anti-unification cells (who probably could get Deisel electric subs cheaply and covertly from places like russia, china, iran, ect. possibly even Nuclear subs too)

post rain, i could see the surviving subs (probably quite a few) being used to hunt down still active zentreadi and various anti-UEG groups that roam above or below the waves.

You are right about the delivery date of the the Virginias. But I could see them helping out where they can. And they can launch the Tomahawks against those enemies.

ShadowLogan wrote:

the prometheous and daedalus got around this by becoming smaller components of a larger craft, which had all the heat dissipators, weapons, storage, and sensors a space craft needs. all they really had to do is plug pipes from the reactor cooling systems (remember, a sub uses outside water for coolant) to the SDF-1's cooling systems.

In Episode 3 "Space Fold" you can see "Aircraft Carriers" of the same appearance in service with the ARMD/Orberth fleet already in orbit in multiple shots, and flying carriers during the Fold (along with the 2 carriers in the harbor). There is also a similiar vessel in a NG era static shot in the first episode in orbit around "Mars".

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C. Animation Error. There are multiple shots though, suggesting if it was an error it was a running gag for the episode.

Theirs a number of errors, added art, and just flat out mistakes all though the series. that was compounded by late Cut and paste patching in or cutting of sceens when they realised they were short or long for a given episode.

That was my impression...along the lines of 'we need to patch a space here in this frame...let's just toss in a red-below-the-waterline carrier in space, and see what happens...Not like anybody's going to notice, and if they do,well, it's our little joke"(kinda wonder if they;d anticipated that Macross would go onto home VHS tape and DVD where viewers could study the action sequences frame-by-frame).

Theirs a number of errors, added art, and just flat out mistakes all though the series. that was compounded by late Cut and paste patching in or cutting of sceens when they realised they were short or long for a given episode.

I do not think they are the result of editing or mistakes on anyone's part. Of the 3 instances that come to mind with the flying aircraft carriers: 2 of them involve the orbital bombardment during the docking manuever and the SDF-1 is in those shots. The 3rd is when the SDF-1 actually executes the Fold at 2k ft, and there are like 3 carriers floating above the city as the Fold FX happens.

The amount this happens in this one episode would seem to suggest it wasn't a mistake or a rush job. It was delibrate, either as an in-joke or serious.

The only other episode a "Carrier" appears in the background in a static shot with other craft/objects in orbit around Mars. So I can't see it here either being an error.

Didn't the original Space Cruiser Yamato show come out before Macross? The "ships in space" could be a reference/in-joke to that show.

first off from what I gathered most of the animation work for the space sceens was farmed out (in fact it seems that virtualy the entire thing was done by multiple "animation" studioes) second the ships in question have long been refered to as being semi submersable, but not as being space capable.

Granted its remotly posible they thought "Subs are watertight theirfor they must be space capable, but eh.

Drakenred®™© wrote:first off from what I gathered most of the animation work for the space sceens was farmed out (in fact it seems that virtualy the entire thing was done by multiple "animation" studioes) second the ships in question have long been refered to as being semi submersable, but not as being space capable.

Granted its remotly posible they thought "Subs are watertight theirfor they must be space capable, but eh.

"Okay...who's the idiot who forgot to shut the screendoor? Don't you know that's hard vacuum out there?!"

Drakenred®™© wrote:first off from what I gathered most of the animation work for the space sceens was farmed out (in fact it seems that virtualy the entire thing was done by multiple "animation" studioes) second the ships in question have long been refered to as being semi submersable, but not as being space capable.

Granted its remotly posible they thought "Subs are watertight theirfor they must be space capable, but eh.

is the Refrence to the being Semi-submersiable actually in the show, or something from the RPG?

Colonel Wolfe wrote:

Drakenred®™© wrote:first off from what I gathered most of the animation work for the space sceens was farmed out (in fact it seems that virtualy the entire thing was done by multiple "animation" studioes) second the ships in question have long been refered to as being semi submersable, but not as being space capable.

Granted its remotly posible they thought "Subs are watertight theirfor they must be space capable, but eh.

is the Refrence to the being Semi-submersiable actually in the show, or something from the RPG?

Its from the OSM from Studio Nue and other things I have seen, for example according to Shoji Kawamori the ships were "Water sealed" and Kazutaka Miyatake said they were "like" modern ships now in being sealed against any atacks. Its quite posible they ment for them to be sort of submariens, kind of like the old Soviet "dive boat" concept or their abandoned Project 748 assult landing submarine . (the Prometheus unfortunatly looks nothing like any of the actual "submarnie cariers" that have been proposed.)

http://www.subsim.com/books/images/Project748.jpg

That's awesome!!!

Colonel Wolfe wrote:

Drakenred®™© wrote:is the Refrence to the being Semi-submersiable actually in the show, or something from the RPG?

Its from the OSM from Studio Nue and other things I have seen, for example according to Shoji Kawamori the ships were "Water sealed" and Kazutaka Miyatake said they were "like" modern ships now in being sealed against any atacks. Its quite posible they ment for them to be sort of submariens, kind of like the old Soviet "dive boat" concept or their abandoned Project 748 assult landing submarine . (the Prometheus unfortunatly looks nothing like any of the actual "submarnie cariers" that have been proposed.)

http://www.subsim.com/books/images/Project748.jpg

So basically no where in Robotech? Just some OSM info which has been proven to not be the basis for anything in Robotech. so calling them a Submersiable Carrier isnt approiate to Robotech.... they could be Carriers with Elements of Submersibility.... basically a Failed Submersible Design that was put into full production with all the submersible features still there.

Excellent pic! Thank you for sharing it Drakenred! Where did it come from?

Actually, in expanded RT-verse (by fans), there's possibility that UEDF Navy would utilised Virginia Attack subs, which, ofcourse, retrofitted & upgraded with Robotechnology of the era - 2010-2020s.

As most will probably agrees, EBSIS should also fielded significant submarine fleet, & in my extend RT-verse, I included from Macross 0Zero the massive stealth Auerstadt sub & the transformable mini-sub Octos variable amphibious strike mechas as part of EBSIS Naval forces arsenal.

Of course, what better way to include the Southern Cross Navy with a transformable variable mini sub of their own, by transplanting the RIFT's Kittani transformable subs as main SCN sub hunters & the anti-thesis of Octos.

Protoculture wrote:Of course, what better way to include the Southern Cross Navy with a transformable variable mini sub of their own, by transplanting the RIFT's Kittani transformable subs as main SCN sub hunters & the anti-thesis of Octos.

Eh, I'm not sure about a transformable sub. To supplement the Sea Squad Frogmen you have the Kraken Deep Submergence Powered Armour and they could easily modify the Triton Battloid (which is already built for waterborne warfare) to go deeper.

Colonel Wolfe wrote:

Colonel Wolfe wrote:

Drakenred®™© wrote:is the Refrence to the being Semi-submersiable actually in the show, or something from the RPG?

Its from the OSM from Studio Nue and other things I have seen, for example according to Shoji Kawamori the ships were "Water sealed" and Kazutaka Miyatake said they were "like" modern ships now in being sealed against any atacks. Its quite posible they ment for them to be sort of submariens, kind of like the old Soviet "dive boat" concept or their abandoned Project 748 assult landing submarine . (the Prometheus unfortunatly looks nothing like any of the actual "submarnie cariers" that have been proposed.)

http://www.subsim.com/books/images/Project748.jpg

So basically no where in Robotech? Just some OSM info which has been proven to not be the basis for anything in Robotech. so calling them a Submersiable Carrier isnt approiate to Robotech.... they could be Carriers with Elements of Submersibility.... basically a Failed Submersible Design that was put into full production with all the submersible features still there.

the problem is though that the OSM is still *The* source of everything in Robotec from Episode one on to the end of the original series, unless HG decides to "Reinvision" it and pay for brand new episodes. thats where some of the seemingly endless problems with reconsileing the two come in.

Of course, what better way to include the Southern Cross Navy with a transformable variable mini sub of their own, by transplanting the RIFT's Kittani transformable subs as main SCN sub hunters & the anti-thesis of Octos.

I'll admit I don't have alot of Rifts books, but I thought Triax used a transformable sub, and not the Kittani (at least per Underseas, might be different in other Rifts Books). Granted the Kittani have atleast 3 transformers that I am aware of (none are subs as far as I know).

Its quite posible they ment for them to be sort of submariens, kind of like the old Soviet "dive boat" concept or their abandoned Project 748 assult landing submarine .

Actually no. The term used is "Semi-Submersible" and that basically means it can adjust its water line. It does not mean it can fully submerge.

When I did some research on the Lockheed SHARC concept as the basis for a RT RPG mecha I made, I came across the term in relation to the concept. So I did a bit of digging to find out just what it means.

first off from what I gathered most of the animation work for the space sceens was farmed out (in fact it seems that virtualy the entire thing was done by multiple "animation" studioes) second the ships in question have long been refered to as being semi submersable, but not as being space capable.

The OSM notes though are far from complete. Just reading the uRRG notes for designs reveals that.

The animation would beg to differ on them not beign space capable. Going on what I've read on actual space EVAs, I can not see the SDF-1 crew making the two ships viable in approx. 2 weeks unless the capacity existed in the first place.

Drakenred®™© wrote:

Colonel Wolfe wrote:

Colonel Wolfe wrote:

Drakenred®™© wrote:is the Refrence to the being Semi-submersiable actually in the show, or something from the RPG?

Its from the OSM from Studio Nue and other things I have seen, for example according to Shoji Kawamori the ships were "Water sealed" and Kazutaka Miyatake said they were "like" modern ships now in being sealed against any atacks. Its quite posible they ment for them to be sort of submariens, kind of like the old Soviet "dive boat" concept or their abandoned Project 748 assult landing submarine . (the Prometheus unfortunatly looks nothing like any of the actual "submarnie cariers" that have been proposed.)

http://www.subsim.com/books/images/Project748.jpg

So basically no where in Robotech? Just some OSM info which has been proven to not be the basis for anything in Robotech. so calling them a Submersiable Carrier isnt approiate to Robotech.... they could be Carriers with Elements of Submersibility.... basically a Failed Submersible Design that was put into full production with all the submersible features still there.

the problem is though that the OSM is still *The* source of everything in Robotec from Episode one on to the end of the original series, unless HG decides to "Reinvision" it and pay for brand new episodes. thats where some of the seemingly endless problems with reconsileing the two come in.

I can refer the Palladium Staffs Opinion (form Harmony Gold) on OSM materials in Robotech:

Gideon wrote: Mospeada really has nothing to do with the Robotech continuity.

OSM materials have nothing to do with Robotech, so the subs Intention in Macross, has no bearing on what it is in Robotech.

Just remember, the Palladium Staff position on OSM is the one they have from the contract with HG.

If HG says it's in, it's in. If HG says it's out, it's out.

Jefffar wrote:Just remember, the Palladium Staff position on OSM is the one they have from the contract with HG.

If HG says it's in, it's in. If HG says it's out, it's out.

unless HG adds some entrys for the the Promethous and Daedlus on Robotech.com, they remain in the grey mystery of only whats shown in the shown, and they are not shwon under-water in the show.
1 they are shown Flying above the water.
2 they are Easily added to the SDF-1 with little conversion.
which more implied they were designed for space use, rather then underwater use. why else add Anti-Grav systems on them?

I'm looking forward to seeing what HG and PB both say about this question. I'm very curious on it's answer!

Perhaps, but again, what HG tells Palladium about the ships and what HG allows Palladium to publish about the ships are all HG's decision.

If you want to have certain mecha and ships portrayed in a certain way, HG are the folks to convince, not Palladium.

I'm sure that the contract is the cause for that. And that is a good thing. I'm sure everyone understand that Jefffar! I know I do!

I just felt the need to make sure people were directing their comments to the appropriate source.

I'll admit I don't have alot of Rifts books, but I thought Triax used a transformable sub, and not the Kittani (at least per Underseas, might be different in other Rifts Books). Granted the Kittani have atleast 3 transformers that I am aware of (none are subs as far as I know).

Well, you got me there .... Yeah, the transformable sub is definitely Triax's own. Given its profile as some sort of naval / amphibious strike mecha, it'd be perfect in the role of sub-hunter.

Eh, I'm not sure about a transformable sub. To supplement the Sea Squad Frogmen you have the Kraken Deep Submergence Powered Armour and they could easily modify the Triton Battloid (which is already built for waterborne warfare) to go deeper.

This is RT. If there's a tranformable jet fighter, transformable (hover)tank, transformable combat bike & transformable space fortress, there should be transformable sub.

Seriously ....

Protoculture wrote:This is RT. If there's a tranformable jet fighter, transformable (hover)tank, transformable combat bike & transformable space fortress, there should be transformable sub.

Seriously ....

Yea, but the Navy in Robotech ain't nearly as important as the Air Force for projecting power in the post-Macross world. I doubt they get the budget to procure transforming subs. Said money would be better spent on Sylphide's, Logan's and maybe a new keel once in a blue moon.

Colonel Wolfe wrote:

Drakenred®™© wrote:

Colonel Wolfe wrote:

Colonel Wolfe wrote:

Drakenred®™© wrote:is the Refrence to the being Semi-submersiable actually in the show, or something from the RPG?

Its from the OSM from Studio Nue and other things I have seen, for example according to Shoji Kawamori the ships were "Water sealed" and Kazutaka Miyatake said they were "like" modern ships now in being sealed against any atacks. Its quite posible they ment for them to be sort of submariens, kind of like the old Soviet "dive boat" concept or their abandoned Project 748 assult landing submarine . (the Prometheus unfortunatly looks nothing like any of the actual "submarnie cariers" that have been proposed.)

http://www.subsim.com/books/images/Project748.jpg

So basically no where in Robotech? Just some OSM info which has been proven to not be the basis for anything in Robotech. so calling them a Submersiable Carrier isnt approiate to Robotech.... they could be Carriers with Elements of Submersibility.... basically a Failed Submersible Design that was put into full production with all the submersible features still there.

the problem is though that the OSM is still *The* source of everything in Robotec from Episode one on to the end of the original series, unless HG decides to "Reinvision" it and pay for brand new episodes. thats where some of the seemingly endless problems with reconsileing the two come in.

I can refer the Palladium Staffs Opinion (form Harmony Gold) on OSM materials in Robotech:

Gideon wrote: Mospeada really has nothing to do with the Robotech continuity.

OSM materials have nothing to do with Robotech, so the subs Intention in Macross, has no bearing on what it is in Robotech.

your trying to have it both ways.

where HG says X is cannon, but where they dont say a thing we have to go by whats on the "OSM" but you get to cherry pick what of that is valid.

Sorry but that does not work to well. If you go that rout then things like the Partical beam armed MAC IIs, the VF-2 "JOTUN", the VF-4 "LIGHTNING" and every freaking art error and fan service included in the serieslike Straping 18 MRMs to the tailfins, the multi beam Invid scouts, the fact that Gundam Beam sabers are caried by some units in the Southern cross arc and so on is cannon .

Thats why personaly untill HG says one way or the other about whats actualy in the series I tend to stick with what was intended by the original creators.

unfortunatly even that can be confuseing.

Just to clarify

the VF-1R and VF-X-4 are cannon, however they are not the mecha I was refering to above. (the VF-4 "LIGHTNING" is from MACROSS FLASHBACK 2012 and is somewhat diferent from the toy/modle of the VF-X-4 Ric plays with in the Series, and may be diferent from what was depicted in the comic book)

Drakenred®™© wrote: your trying to have it both ways.

sorry, I no longer agree with the Idea that OSM ideas mean Squat in Robotech, OSM =//= Robotech

where HG says X is cannon, but where they dont say a thing we have to go by whats on the "OSM" but you get to cherry pick what of that is valid.

I'm not Cherry picking anything. Condor info form Mospeda means nothing, info on "Submersiable" spaceships form Macross means nothing in Robotech® , only the Show as Aired can be used for True Canon info Unless HG says otherwise, otherwise why call it Robotech if you alwasy Refer back to the OSM for everything?

Sorry but that does not work to well. If you go that rout then things like the Partical beam armed MAC IIs, the VF-2 "JOTUN", the VF-4 "LIGHTNING" and every freaking art error and fan service included in the serieslike Straping 18 MRMs to the tailfins, the multi beam Invid scouts, the fact that Gundam Beam sabers are caried by some units in the Southern cross arc and so on is cannon .

I dont recall a VF-2 in Robotech, but the YF-4 was shown Flying in one Episode... its canon.
Strapping 18 SRM's to the Tail fins is more than an Animation error, its been debated to heck on the rt.com forums.
Anything Actually Seen in Robotech is Canon, since it is Seen in the show, not on OSM documents.

Thats why personaly untill HG says one way or the other about whats actualy in the series I tend to stick with what was intended by the original creators.

Well, the "Submersible" Space Ships were refering to are seen flying.... and are used in space with little modfication (on the SDF-1). more implying they were designed for space use, since their Enemy was going to be in Space....

I dont recall a VF-2 in Robotech, but the YF-4 was shown Flying in one Episode... its canon.
Strapping 18 SRM's to the Tail fins is more than an Animation error, its been debated to heck on the rt.com forums.
Anything Actually Seen in Robotech is Canon, since it is Seen in the show, not on OSM documents.

Thats why personaly untill HG says one way or the other about whats actualy in the series I tend to stick with what was intended by the original creators.

Well, the "Submersible" Space Ships were refering to are seen flying.... and are used in space with little modfication (on the SDF-1). more implying they were designed for space use, since their Enemy was going to be in Space....[/quote]

The "VF2 jotan" along with at least other 3 diferent units from what has been published elsehwere was in at least 2 epsiodes, and what looks to be the the wreckage including its gunshield was in a sceen elsewhere.

(one example)

http://www.robotechresearch.com/picture ... _large.jpg the "VF-2" is odd mecha in this picuture

trying to make art errors cannon?

May I present the "Super-guppy sized" LTV?

http://www.robotechresearch.com/picture ... _large.jpg

as for the "ghost" VF with the 36 tail mounted missles?

http://www.robotechresearch.com/picture ... _large.jpg

my point in it being just another art error is (1) its clearly badly drawn (2) Its solid white, (3) theirs aparently only 6 missles mounted on the wings and (4) its the only known VF-1 with Wingtip rails.

While I know thoes tailfins are defacto useless in space, the idea that your going to mount that many missles on thoes right next to the body where they would have to fly along the fuselage right behind the cocpit is nothing short of insain, especialy when you dont mount that many on the main wings wich are generaly a lot stronger to start with, and usualy easyer to get to for the purposes of arming the mecha in the first place.

Drakenred®™© wrote:The "VF2 jotan" along with at least other 3 diferent units from what has been published elsehwere was in at least 2 epsiodes, and what looks to be the the wreckage including its gunshield was in a sceen elsewhere.

But its simply a VF-1A with "Orguss" Armour on it, basically another attempt to uparm the VF-1 like the FAST-Pack or GBP-1 Armour, not a whole new Veritech.

Orgoid Armour 1

Orgoid Armour 2

(Standard Disclamer as to the fact that I am not giveing Legal advice here!)

that said. . .

Rabid Southern Cross Fan wrote:

Drakenred®™© wrote:

But its simply a VF-1A with "Orguss" Armour on it, basically another attempt to uparm the VF-1 like the FAST-Pack or GBP-1 Armour, not a whole new Veritech.

Orgoid Armour 1

Orgoid Armour 2

Which incidentaly is probably why you will not see that specific unit as being part of Robotech Cannon. (their was a bit of an idiot fight over who had the rights to what mecha storylines and the units in them in which countrys and in which properly licenced game a while back, the safe move on HG part is to pretend it did not exist, )

Drakenred®™© wrote:Which incidentaly is probably why you will not see that specific unit as being part of Robotech Cannon.

Maybe, maybe not. I think this is one of those murky areas that could be used, since its technically NOT the Orguss and the RPG IS merchandise (which HG has uncontested rights to of all things that appear in SDF Macross). We won't know, of course, until The Macross Saga sourcebook comes out if that is true.

::shrugs::

Subs in Robotech?

A Zentraedi sub would be rather large and feed a lot of micronians.

Very true . . . could I get a soup with that?

What is the house special today? If you're going to serve soup you have to be specific!

Peacebringer wrote:Subs in Robotech?

A Zentraedi sub would be rather large and feed a lot of micronians.

You know, speaking of subs, here's something that I always wondered about. Where did Khyron get that huge drumstick from? Did he managed to capture one of those extra special Purdues, with the extra helping of steroids? If so, that would explain everything about him in those later episodes. He wasn't being fanatical, he was just suffering from 'Roid Rage.

devillin wrote:

Peacebringer wrote:Subs in Robotech?

A Zentraedi sub would be rather large and feed a lot of micronians.

You know, speaking of subs, here's something that I always wondered about. Where did Khyron get that huge drumstick from? Did he managed to capture one of those extra special Purdues, with the extra helping of steroids? If so, that would explain everything about him in those later episodes. He wasn't being fanatical, he was just suffering from 'Roid Rage.

Tyson probably got ahold of some Overtechnology for their salt water injectors.

Ah that explains how they got that drumstick that big! What about Tyson. They might have some big birds too!

Aramanthus wrote:Ah that explains how they got that drumstick that big! What about Tyson. They might have some big birds too!

they also got ahold of a mico-macronization chamber or a cloaning chamber.

LOL That makes sense in a very twisted manner!!!!