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According to todays press release, it is now due to be released in summer or fall. Sorry Mark.

Eh, I'm patient.

After all, I already know what's in it.

when did you hand the manuscript in, Mr. Hall?

Stick figures? Naw! It's got magic and... stuff. What kind of stuff, I'm not sure. But... you know... stuff.

Some help here Mark?

Vidynn wrote:when did you hand the manuscript in, Mr. Hall?

December of 2006 was the revision; the initial was August of 2002.

And that is why I don't "hold my breath" for books. And just salivating when they say that it's gone to the printer.

I hope it will have Different schools of Magic and Not O.c.c how only have Specal abilities but use Invocation spells like what in Rifts.

Real Schools of Magic only use Spells unique to them,like the Necromancer.

What do you think?

Kevin wrote:Fear not (okay, maybe a little) Mysteries of Magic "should" see release this fall. Gotta save something to talk about in future press releases.

A I sure hope there will be a number of additional Fantasy books to follow. I love PFRPG and yes, it needs support!!!

Sincerely,
Kevin Siembieda

Got this the other day from the man himself. It doesn't say much, but it at least acknowledges that he knows what's happening.

Northern Ranger wrote:

Kevin wrote:Fear not (okay, maybe a little) Mysteries of Magic "should" see release this fall. Gotta save something to talk about in future press releases.

A I sure hope there will be a number of additional Fantasy books to follow. I love PFRPG and yes, it needs support!!!

Sincerely,
Kevin Siembieda

Got this the other day from the man himself. It doesn't say much, but it at least acknowledges that he knows what's happening.

Yeah and I heard Iraq had WMDs.....

Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I only received it!

Northern Ranger wrote:Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I only received it!

aww...dont let it bother you too much...there are always naysayers.

Damian Magecraft wrote:

Northern Ranger wrote:Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I only received it!

aww...dont let it bother you too much...there are always naysayers.

Is that anything like a Soothsayer?

I'd buy any PFRPG content that comes out, I like the systems flexibility and how it's not so constraining on players or GM's, there is a lot of freedom to be had. I'm also a bit curious about LOD 3, is there any info on that one?

I need to update my collection on this as well. lol

Well that two sets on the list.

twhaley wrote:

I'm also a bit curious about LOD 3, is there any info on that one?

Bill Coffin handed in the finished book, but Kevin hated it. Coffin got fired, and we'll likely never see LOD 3 in print. Unless the gods of the universe smile upon us PF fans, and the stars align perfectly giving Kevin the inspiration and freetime to do a massive rewrite.

Man, it's hard to type with my fingers crossed.

Would it be too difficult then to remove the listing from the online site, it's rather pointless if it's a non-issue then isn't it, kind of like leaving bait out but forgetting to put it in the trap. Plus it's unprofessional. On a side note, it's too bad that his (Coffin's) track record of writing quality product for Palladium Books suddenly ended by writing that last one. It must have been a real stinker for KS to sink it so fast. Also, how many pre-orders did it get? Cause if it's never coming out, I can let my retailer know to drop it from my list of product I have ordered, since it's vaporware at the moment.

I'm thinking the nonrelease of LOTD3 is due to kevs ego.

I think he's jealous that Bill came in and sorta took over his pet world.

Mephisto wrote:I'm still wondering how mega-powerful Bill made the residents of the Citadel...because I'm guessing that is what Kevin had a problem with, that he made the setting too deadly for any PCs to really exist in. But let's face it, in canon the Citadel is the home of Chaos Magic, and that by its nature is insanely heady stuff to deal with.

Deadly compared to what? LOD 1 and 2?

If you took this game and converted it into an MMO, it would seem that LOD is all about the epic side of things, for high level players. Yin Sloth by comparison is cake country; sure it has it's little tough parts, but the whole is not epic at all. Gods and Dragons is more informational than anything else, they aren't really about conflict with players, and if you can allow that dragons can become 'gods' then it follows that players could also become 'gods' (and NPCS at that time).

Why NPC's? it might be fun to play in a game as a PC that has risen to the power of a god. Of course things that would challenge the player would be the interpolitical stuff between pantheons as well as cosmic level threats and the gathering of more worshippers and the well being of their religion that worships them.

UR Leader Hobbes wrote:I think he's jealous that Bill came in and sorta took over his pet world.

might be, but why did he let him write about half of the sourcebooks in the first place?

Probitas wrote:Deadly compared to what? LOD 1 and 2?

or Baalgor or Island or ...?

Marcethus wrote:Why NPC's? it might be fun to play in a game as a PC that has risen to the power of a god. Of course things that would challenge the player would be the interpolitical stuff between pantheons as well as cosmic level threats and the gathering of more worshippers and the well being of their religion that worships them.

Most 'gods' operate under a non interference pact, preventing direct confrontation (and lots of destruction and such, read up on the Chaos War history). This leaves their mortal servants the only real way to do anything, and they have to let them have free will too.

A game with player 'demi-gods' can be interesting, but I think short-lived. Where is the risk beyond having your status revoked and your key to the immortals restroom taken away? Now I know something similar to IN NOMINE could be done, but angels are NOT gods. And that sort of game can get dry quickly too. Open warfare usually means Armageddon, and there can be only one winner, and it's usually the guy who made it all in the first place, whomever or whatever that is.

Back on track here...

Any news on Mysteries of Magic? Speculative release month or quarter? Are we looking at Fall or Winter maybe?

Release a PFRPG book and I shall have no choice, but to buy it striaght away.

Currently, they're saying Winter 2008.

At this point in time I can only say this. **** or get off the pot.

This is what I tell all my friends who are in relationships that won't get married because they think the ceremony is pointless, but still remain 'married' by the state anyway. Ever hear of the term 'a little bit pregnant'? The guy is starting to remind me of contractors that spread their jobs out over the year, and move from one to the other after a week working instead of finishing one first and then moving to the next, to keep from actually finishing a job too soon.

I'll take winter '08.


Now for my next question. What are the chances of the Old Kingdoms comming out before the U.S. leaves Iraq?

j/k -

Here here! I'm looking forward to spending hours upon hours reading this book.

Yeah, it sounds okay. That Mark Hall guy is decent writer. [Snickers]

How vocal have I already been about this book? I'll likely read it three or four times in the first week after I get it. I'm probably going to send the hundredth PM off to Kev about it. (That's my hundredth PM.) Not only is this book going to rock, it's going to mark the first book written solely for PF in... how long has it been? Jeez! Better write that PM.

Oh..... That guy wrote it? On second thought....


just kidding. Send a PM for me while you're at it!

I hope ther will be some all New spells for all the PFrgp,s Magic.

I think from now on, I will simply discount anything that gets posted about what may or may not get into print for PFRPG, and pretend it does not exist. Then I don't have to filter the bs through my bs filter, and stay cleaner.

Keren Lin Sandor wrote:Nice thread to necro. So what is the latest on M.O.M.? Inquiring minds want to know, after all the latest press rellease says its coming, but since it has been coming since spring of last year it provides for a head scratching moment.

Actually, it has been coming since the spring of 2003.

I take the position that I will believe it when they send it to the printers.

Apollyon7 wrote:I really wanted to get a copy of M.O.M. at POH09 and get it signed by everyone including Mark but I guess that won't happen ; ;

Coincidentally, I really wanted to spend Open House signing people's copies of Mysteries of Magic.

You know how I wound up with a Bill Coffin autographed copy of Western Empire?

When it came out, I (and a friend of mine) were on a mailing list with him. We talked to him about it, then we mailed him both copies, along with a SASE big enough to mail it back.

Mark Hall will ther be all New spells for all Schools of magic from Palladium Fantasy?

gaby wrote:Mark Hall will ther be all New spells for all Schools of magic from Palladium Fantasy?

There are a number of new spells, plus some old ones that got converted, and some SDC conversions of Necromancer spells from Rifts. Not much in terms of new schools of magic, though I did do a couple things with variant warlocks, different types of priests, new abilities for witches, and explanation of most of the magic OCCs I could find.

The Magic from Library of Bletherad is great,it good to known they will get some New spells.

by the way, as I stumbled across it in an old RIFTER, what happened to R. Cartier's Palladium Book of Monsters and Magic??

Mephisto wrote:Good question. I'm also interested in the manuscript she turned in for the two Old Kingdom books.

yeah, in some of those Rifters I just bought KS talks about those too, saying she kinda went wild and turned in two books instead of one and how difficult that is too edit. (that was before Land of the Damned, written in three volumes, planned as even more books, and published in two volumes - so far, and probably it stays that way). Id say it cant be that hard, as PB did it before (publishing a series, that is), but on the other hand of course we dont know how the manuscript was.

maybe the Book of Monsters and Magic is "dead" but some of the material on magic could be salvaged? especially if PB plans to do MoM as a series of books...

I hope MoM will give a list of known magic items and some all New ones.

What PF,s Magic do you want to see get New spells?

Because of my location in the nation and the relative hard times financially that everyone is going through, I would find it very difficult to get to anywhere to have you sign it. When I eventually do get my copy, could I possibly send it to you to have it signed? That would be awesome!

Apollyon7 wrote:96 pages seems a little short. You can't really fit a whole lot of information, especially if anything is repeated (which tends to be the case with Palladium). PF is PF I guess >.>;

96 pages dose not sound too short for a volume #1.

Northern Ranger wrote:Because of my location in the nation and the relative hard times financially that everyone is going through, I would find it very difficult to get to anywhere to have you sign it. When I eventually do get my copy, could I possibly send it to you to have it signed? That would be awesome!

How do you think I got my copy of Western Empire signed by Bill Coffin? I'd be delighted.

Mark Hall wrote:

Northern Ranger wrote:Because of my location in the nation and the relative hard times financially that everyone is going through, I would find it very difficult to get to anywhere to have you sign it. When I eventually do get my copy, could I possibly send it to you to have it signed? That would be awesome!

How do you think I got my copy of Western Empire signed by Bill Coffin? I'd be delighted.

Cool. Now they just have to publish it!

By the way, did you see the latest murmur? Kev wants you to call him!

Northern Ranger wrote:

Mark Hall wrote:

Northern Ranger wrote:Because of my location in the nation and the relative hard times financially that everyone is going through, I would find it very difficult to get to anywhere to have you sign it. When I eventually do get my copy, could I possibly send it to you to have it signed? That would be awesome!

How do you think I got my copy of Western Empire signed by Bill Coffin? I'd be delighted.

Cool. Now they just have to publish it!

By the way, did you see the latest murmur? Kev wants you to call him!

Talked to him from 11-12, actually. Probably call him later in the week, as well.

Do you think it will be out in August?

What schools of Magic need more spells?

Yes, I giggled with delight when I saw that Awesome Amy would be doing the art for my book.

You giggled? You actually giggled? I didn't realize men even DID that!

Seriously though, this thing is looking better and better. Can't wait to see it!

Northern Ranger wrote:You giggled? You actually giggled? I didn't realize men even DID that!

Seriously though, this thing is looking better and better. Can't wait to see it!

Dude, I had 4 hours sleep last night. I'm giggling at damn near everything today.

Okay, okay. I'll leave it alone!

I noticed on the murmur that he's looking to assign the cover art? I thought that was already done?