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Ok,

continuing my threads I decided to tackle the various small arms that were either in the series or were planned to be in the series. Some of you might be surprised at what you see as it doesn't quite match up to what either the old RPG or This is Animation Special #10. Right now I'm just going to focus on the slugthrowers. Later I'll dig into the blasters.

AR-25 Wolverine Assault Rifle
The last slug throwing assault rifle mass produced for the United Earth Forces, the Wolverine replaced the older AR-20 5.56mm caseless that had been the mainstay of soldiers during the Anti-Unification War. The ubiquitous infantry weapon of the Malcontent Uprisings, it saw service starting 2014 and continued until the end of the 2nd Robotech War. It was also carried in large numbers by Army of the Southern Cross soldiers chopped to the Pioneer Mission until it was superseded by the Gallant H-90. It remained popular throughout the Invid Occupation Era with freedom fighters.

Early in the planning stages of the Wolverine, it was decided that a return to the heavier 7.62x51 NATO jacketed round would suffice for giving it stopping power. Several variants were made including a short-barreled carbine version. Though it packed a significant kick, it also had the advantage of putting its target down for the count.

The rifle can accept a standard 20mm pump-action underslung grenade launcher. Side mounted flashlight and laser designator are also available. Top mounted accessories such as a starlight scope and video-link can be added. The Wolverine also has a bayonet lug to accept the standard UEF bayonet. A 40mm rifle-propelled grenade can also be attached to add additional punch in certain combat situations.
Length: 100cm (overall)
Weight: 2.9kg (unloaded)
Magazine capacity (rifle): 30 rounds; (grenade launcher): 4 rounds
Cartridge: 7.62mm x 51 UEF Standard
Note: In the comic books for The Sentinels, this weapon was clearly identified as the Wolverine. The lineart itself says simply 'Assault Rifle'. It makes no sense whatsoever for the 'Wolfe' Staplegun/Blaster Rifle to be the Wolverine, not the least of which is because the magazine is seated too far forward for it to even be a slugthrower.

Wolverine (01)

Wolverine Lineart

M-35 Badger Double Action Pistol
The most common slugthrowing sidearm of the United Earth Forces, the Badger replaced the older UEF MP-9 .45cal CLMP as the standard sidearm. The main distinguishing feature of this weapon is that it uses caseless ammunition, a carryover from the MP-9. Another is the fact that new armor piercing ammunition was developed specifically for this pistol, capable of perforating the soft under-suits of most modern armors. Instead of a slide to breech the weapon (or eject a spent cartridge) the entire system is self-contained. An operator only needs to insert a loaded magazine and rooster the hammer to load the first round. The weapon is then ready to fire.

This weapon was carried in large numbers by both soldiers of the Army of the Southern Cross and the Air and Space Forces. It served across the galaxy with those units chopped to the Pioneer Mission until it was supplanted by the Gallant H-90. Because of the specialized nature of the ammunition, this weapon remained rare outside old UEF enclaves on Invid Occupied Earth.
Length: 196mm (overall)
Weight: 840g (unloaded)
Magazine capacity: 12
Cartridge: .40 caliber S&W (caseless), 9mmx19 Parabellum (caseless) and .45 caliber ACP (caseless)
Note: The varying calibers was first suggested by the RRG to explain the different sizes of the bore seen on this weapon.

Badger (01)

Badger (02)

Badger (03)

M-36 Weasel Double Action Pistol
While the Badger is the most common slugthrowing sidearm of the UEF, the Weasel is a close second and favored by many including the Global Military Police. The world standard 9mmx19 Parabellum was the most obvious choice. While not capable of damaging the soft armor under-suit, it nevertheless remains relatively popular for instances where overkill is unnecessary.

Made mostly of ceramic, with the exceptions being the barrel, springs and firing pin, the Weasel is incredibly light. Recoil is suppressed by the barrel itself, transferring little force into the actual frame of the pistol. Similar to the Badger, to load the first round from the magazine, the user need only pull the trigger once to bring the weapon to live status. There is no need to breech the chamber. Unlike the Badger, the Weasel can utilize various specialized ammunition such as Glaser rounds.
Length: 216mm
Weight: 800g (unloaded)
Magazine Capacity: 14
Cartridge: 9mmx19 Parabellum
Note: Though the lineart mostly shows it being carried by members of the GMP, it is in fact carried by several members of the 15th ATAC such as Louie Nichols and Angelo Dante.

Weasel (01)

Weasel (02)

Weasel Lineart

M-37 Mongoose Double-action Pistol
Slightly popular among the pilots of the Civil Defense Fighter Corps, the Mongoose enjoyed much less prestige than either the Lynx hold-out or Panther combat blaster pistols. It never really found its niche either among civilians, UEG employees nor soldiers and airmen of UEG member nations. By the start of the 2nd Robotech War, this weapon remained somewhat uncommon. Still, like the Wolfe ‘Staple Gun‘ blaster, the Mongoose occasionally found a home in later years among gangs as a status symbol.
Length: 10cm
Weight: 0.8kg
Magazine Capacity: 8 shots
Cartridge: .320 caliber ACP
Note: This weapon was originally called the Putnam Stun Gun in the old RPG. However, the lineart shows its a slugthrower as it has a cartridge ejection mechanism. I chose the name Mongoose since it seems to fit with Wolverine, Weasel, Badger etc.

Mongoose (01)

Mongoose Lineart

Ok, thats it for now. I'll do the blasters tomorrow or the next day.
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Rabid Southern Cross Fan wrote:Ok,
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Mongoose Lineart

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I see two pistols in that pict. Which one?
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The Cities Defense Flying section (top right).
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whipped4073 wrote:Is it really that hard to use special ammo types with caseless ammo?


I don't know if the military would feel compelled to procure special ammo for the Badger. Just getting the caseless ammo to begin with might be a fight with the people who pay for everything. I imagine that members of the UEG Senate Armed Services Committee might look askance at acquiring large amounts of specialized ammo for the Badger.

::shrugs::

I don't even know if its possible to manufacture certain types of specialized ammo like Glaser rounds as caseless. If so it is possible, then just remove that line. :D
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:D I can't wait to see how you handle the Southern Cross energy weapons, RSCF!
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Lotsa neat stuff, I must say. Great for 2nd or 3rd generation campaigns. :)

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Some more very cool information RSCF!!! Thank you for sharing it with us.
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Sorry to have taken so long to get back to this thread....been a little busy at the moment. So, without further ado here are a few of the energy small arms (the rest of my info is currently on my laptop that I don't have access to at the moment because of a broken power cable, but will be getting a new cable come Monday).

PP-12 Panther Particle Pistol
The Panther pistol was the most common energy weapon ever used by the soldiers of the United Earth Forces prior to the general adoption of the Gallant H-90. Built to resemble the standard auto pistol carried by most soldiers, the Panther is easy to handle. The magazine loads through the handgrip which brings the weapon live and ready to fire. This weapon was carried in great numbers by the troops of The Army of the Southern Cross both on Earth and with those chopped to The Pioneer Mission. It remained a popular choice with freedom fighters and was rather common on Invid Occupied Earth due to a number of knock-offs produced over the years, including by AUL and Non-Aligned manufacturers.
Length: 26cm
Weight: 1.4kg
Magazine: 20 shots
Note: I agree with Palladium that this is an energy weapon and not a .44 calibre slugthrower as the magazine is shown to not have cartridge count holes on either the front or side (from what we can tell). This is in comparison to the Weasel which does have such due to the lineart. Due to the fact that weapons similar to it are shown to recoil, I thought a particle beam would be more plausible than a laser.

PP-12 Panther (01)

PP-12 Panther (02)

PP-12 Panther Magazine

PP-12 Panther Lineart

PP-15 Lynx Hold-out Particle Pistol
Although the pilots of the Tactical Air Force were issued PP-12 Panther’s, there were occasionally those that decided to privately purchase a Lynx hold-out instead. Produced in significant quantities, the Lynx remained a popular weapon all through the 2nd Robotech War with both civilians and UEG employees. The arrival of the Invid destroyed the Lynx main production facilities. Still, this weapon remained a hot commodity in the days following the invasion due to the number of knock-offs produced. It was mostly favoured by those underworld as it was easy to conceal.
Length: 11cm
Weight: 0.9kg
Magazine: 10 shots
Note: The barrel on this weapon is tiny, which is partially why I think its a blaster and not a slugthrower. It also lacks any kind of cartridge ejection mechanism that I can see, meaning if it IS a slugthrower (would have to be .25 or .22 calibre) its caseless.

PP-15 Lynx Hold-out Lineart

PR-20 Dragoon Particle Rifle
This was the standard infantry small arm of the 2nd Robotech War. Carried in large numbers by the ground troops and hovertank pilots, the PR-20 became synonymous with the Army of the Southern Cross and saw service from the end of the Malcontent Uprisings to the 2nd Robotech War. It was issued to troops on Earth as well as those chopped to The Pioneer Mission though it was eventually supplanted by the Gallant H-90. After the Invid invasion this weapon continued to be used by freedom fighters (many of them former ASC soldiers). It remained somewhat popular thanks to numerous knock-offs made by both AUL and Non-Aligned manufacturers.

Like other weapons of similar function, the Dragoon can accept several different types of nozzles. These vary in function, giving a fire-team far more options than normal. Precision shot is favored by snipers for its extreme lethality at long distances, while wide dispersal is noted for its deck clearing capabilities in close quarters. The rapid fire nozzle is the most commonly carried by the soldiers of the UEF simply because it allows them to hose down an area with suppression fire.
Length: 85cm (A model), 70cm (B model), 65cm (C model), recoil suppression stock: +25cm
Weight: 3.1kg
Magazine: 30 shots
Note: There is lineart that shows the back of the rifle is a fold-out stock, so the weapon can accept both an add-on stock or use the fold-out. Its possible that this weapon could be made to mate with either a 12 gauge shotgun or 25mm grenade launcher like the Wolverine. You can tell by looking at the lineart that the rifle itself is a separate piece from the nozzel (like almost all the Southern Cross weapons). That means that the rifle can accept any one of the nozzels with but a switch, making it a multi-weapon system in a way. Purely speculation, but the A-model (Dana's) would be for precision/sniper work, the B-model (Dante's) would be a rapid-fire assault rifle type, while the C-model is rapid-fire heavy trauma (it hits you with a particle frisbee basically).

PR-20 Dragon A-model

PR-20 Dragoon B & C-models

PR-20 Dragoon C-model

PR-20 Dragoon Lineart

It would be an interesting modification, but I think someone could take the C-nozzel, set it perpendicularly and vary the blast pattern to basically make the equivalent of a particle beam buckshot blast. Sort of a 'deck sweeper' model carried by Cosmic Unit Space Marine shipboarding units.

I will do the rest later as I said, most likely Monday.
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I agree! Very nice! Thank you for sharing this data with us!
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Ok, continuing on with this thread I have to state up front that I lost the file that I had with the information about the next set of weapons. This included the lengths and the writeups I had done as well as much of the artwork. Thankfully, my stuff was on computer and not my hardcopy, which I lent to Palladium. Anyway, onwards...

IP-17 Hydra Heavy Ion Pistol
This somewhat uncommon energy pistol was unique in that it fired an Ion blast instead of the more traditional particle beam. Also, unlike either the Panther or Lynx, it had 3 separate nozzles for firing, making it a chopped down version of many of the particle rifles and carbines developed about the same time. Another difference is the fact that the Hydra does an imense amount of damage for a blaster pistol, well above that of its contemporaries (Gallant H-90, Wolfe, Panther or SAL-9).

Carried mostly by Marsh troopers (Humid Climate Offense Squad) due to the destructive power of its blasts. It saw a limited general adoption by The Army of the Southern Cross and served with those chopped to The Pioneer Mission. This weapon remained relatively rare on Invid Occupied Earth though it would occasionally become the status symbol of those gang members that could find one. Only one known knock-off by the AUL remained in service.
Note: I agree with Palladium that this should be an ion blaster instead of the standard particle beam. I thought it would make more sense that this weapon was more destructive than other blasters. This is one of the few weapons that actually did not appear in the series.
Length: 27cm (Model A), 30cm (Model B), 25cm (Model C)
Weight: 2.3kg
Magazine: 35 shots

IP-17 Hydra Ion Blaster Lineart

PC-21 Delta Particle Carbine
A particle carbine specially developed for Light Infantry and Special Forces units, the Delta was made famous by those troops of the Recon's (Recon Escort Patrol). Its main feature were the weight saving measures designed for ease of carrying by soldiers. Of course, the trade-off was a reduced range and stopping power compared to the PC-23 Raptor (which was loved by the TASC and ATACs).

A somewhat common weapon, most troopers loved the Delta's for their lightness. Many units that were not light infantry, such as the Cities Defense Units' Urban Troopers, acquired them and it remained the third most common particle beam carbine produced in that time. It was adopted by those Recon troopers chopped to The Pioneer Mission and saw service across the galaxy. On Invid Occupied Earth it could be found from time to time and was loved by many of the Resitance that could get ahold of one. Only one known knock-off was produced by the AUL.
Note: I thought a lighter weapon would be tailor made for the Recon's because of their job description.
Length: 63cm (Model A), 67cm (Model B), 63cm (Model C), recoil suppression stock +25cm
Weight: 2.26kg
Magazine: 50 shots

PC-21 Delta (01)

PC-21 Delta (02)

PC-21 Delta Lineart

PMG-22 Marauder Particle Light Machinegun
Contemporary to the FAL-2, the Marauder is designed to be the equivalent of a particle beam squad automatic weapon. It is devastating to any enemy that gets in its path of fire and a user can be a threat to even armored mecha. It was generally adopted by The Army of the Southern Cross and Global Military Police and was carried in large numbers by those troopers and MPs chopped to The Pioneer Mission. It remained a popular weapon on Invid Occupied Earth by the resistance as numerous AUL and Non-Aligned knock-offs were available.
Note: Eventhough the weapon was supposedly issued only to the Tactical Corps (according to the SDC: Southern Cross organizational chart) it was actually used solely by the GMP in the Tv series that I've been able to locate. The magazine seems unusually large, yet another reason I think of this as a SAW.
Length: 62cm (A model), 50cm (B model), 57cm (C model), recoil suppression stock: +25cm
Weight: 4.5kg
Magazine: 200 shots

PMG-22 Marauder (01)

PMG-22 Marauder Lineart

PC-23 Raptor Particle Carbine
If the PR-20 Dragoon was the ubiquitous beam rifle of The Army of the Southern Cross, the PC-23 is the runner up. Carried in large numbers by all units of the ASC, it also saw service with the GMP and the Air/Space Forces, including all those forces chopped to The Pioneer Mission. Good stopping power as well as decent range, the Raptor many times served as a backup weapon stored in a vehicle. On Invid Occupied Earth, the Raptor was a favourite of the resistance forces and remained in use due to the number of AUL and Non-Aligned knock-offs produced.
Note: This is another weapon that, despite what the organizational chart shows (which shows it as a TASC weapon), was in fact carried by the ATACs. Only the eye-catch with Marie Crystal in armour show her with this weapon. Those carried by Marie and Dennis Brown in Catastrophe had to have been carried by the 15th ATACs.
Length: 40cm (A model), 45cm (B model), 42cm (C model), recoil suppression stock: +25cm
Weight: 2.7kg
Magazine: 50 shots

PC-23 Raptor (01)

PC-23 Raptor (02)

PC-23 Raptor (03)

PC-23 Raptor Lineart

Thats it for the moment. More later. :D

Edit: I found a backup copy of my original notes and it has the lengths for the various weapons based on the lineart I had! So I went ahead and edited this file to reflect that. I'll continue with the rest of the weapons probably tomorrow. I also edited the Delta Carbine to reflect the fact that it was also carried by Cities Defense Unit troops, making it more common than I thought.
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Those are some sweeet weapons and some very nice pics! Thank you again for the data on them RSCF!!! I'd presonally like to have the Raptor in the game. It looks very mean and nasty!
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Well, I can say this one took me by surprise. I could never quite figure out what these weapons were, until I compared them to the lineart I had. Yep, even more proof that the OSM materials do not necessarily represent what is shown in the Tv series. Here is a unit of Cities Defense Unit soldiers carrying, not Lancer Particle Carbines but the PC-21 Delta Carbines listed for the Recon's.

CDU Carrying PC-21 Delta Carbine 01

CDU Carrying PC-21 Delta Carbine 02

CDU Carrying PC-21 Delta Carbine 03
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Cool weapon. I need to go back and watch it a lot more carefully! Thank you for the cool pics RSCF!!!
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"As you will it, your Grace."

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Ok, after managing to find an old copy of my small arms file on my desktop computer, I now have the lengths (from the lineart) and so forth. I can now add a few more weapons to the mix. For those of you that may not have noticed, I went back and edited my posts to reflect the information I reacquired, so take a look again. Anyway.....

PP-18 Lancer Heavy Particle Pistol
The Lancer heavy blaster pistol is an interesting case. Like the IP-17 Hydra, the Lancer uses a chopped down version of the UEF's multiple nozzle rifles and carbines. Also because of the power of its blasts, its on the borderline between a pistol and a carbine. Carried mostly by the urban combat troopers of the Cities Defense Units, the Lancer was sometimes fielded by other combatants because of the punch it packed. On Invid Occupied Earth this remained another sought after weapon by the Resistance, though no known knock-offs were ever produced.
Note: To the best of my knowledge, this is another one of the weapons that actually never appears in Robotech. I retained the idea that it was a blaster pistol from the 1st Edition RPG, but think it should be more powerful since it does appear to be rather large.
Length: 58.2cm (A and B models), 36cm (C model)
Weight: 3.5kg
Magazine: 30 shots

Cities Defense Unit Officer with Lancer

Lancer Lineart

PC-24 Scorpion Particle Carbine
With numerous deserts across the world, there was need of a particle beam small arm that could survive the rigors of such an intense environment. It would have to be able to operate under grueling conditions of heat as well as being exposed to fine sand getting in places no one would think it could get. The weapon would also need a rapid fire rate to be able to afford the soldiers carrying them an even chance in a pitched battle. The result was the Scorpion which was adopted by Desert troops of The Army of the Southern Cross. It remained a somewhat uncommon weapon throughout the 2nd Robotech War and The Invid Occupation.
Length: 82cm (A model), 66cm (B model), 66cm (C model), recoil suppression stock: +25cm
Weight: 2.9kg
Magazine: 50 shots

Desert Troopers with Scorpions

Scorpion Lineart

PMG-25 Kodiak Particle Machinegun
Equipment designed for Arctic troops must often be far tougher than most government contracted items. With both extreme cold and often times snowy conditions to contend with, high tech weapons can malfunction. With these criterion in mind, the UEG's procurement specialists shopped around for a particle beam weapon capable of a high sustained fire rate, a large magazine capacity as well as able to operate in such extreme conditions such as those above The Arctic Circle or Antarctica. Carried mostly by those infantry Arctic Troops of The Army of the Southern Cross, it was also adopted by many of the Fenris operators as well as sometimes being an alternate to the Marauder for a Squad Automatic Weapon because the magazine could hold many more shots. On Invid Occupied Earth this weapon was much sought after by both the Resistance as well as AUL-backed high tech bandits. Only on known knock-off was produced.
Length: 78cm (A model), 66.7cm (B model), 64.2cm (C model), recoil suppression stock: +25cm
Weight: 5kg
Magazine: 300 shots

Arctic Trooper with Kodiak (01)

Arctic Trooper with Kodiak (02)

Arctic Officer with Kodiak

Kodiak Lineart

PCC-26 Cobra Particle Carbine
Never afraid to innovate, one small arms company decided that the troops of Army of the Southern Cross’ Forest Service would appreciate a combination blaster carbine and crossbow. The idea was to give them a standard weapon that could be used for both offensive punch and silent strikes. The results were mixed. Most soldiers disdained the recurve crossbow and removed the strings and most of the mechanism (which included a winch on the left side of the gun to give tension to the string). It remained an occasionally used weapon up through the 2nd Robotech War.
Length: 75cm (A model), 80cm (B model), 72cm (C model), recoil suppression stock: +25cm
Weight: 4 kg
Magazine: 35 shots plus 1 quarrel

Forest Troops with PCC-26 Cobras

Forest Trooper with PCC-26 Cobra

Cobra Lineart
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Cool stuff! Nice new pics too! Thank you for your efforts RSCF!!! Please keep them coming. Just out of curiousity...... Are you translating the japanese on original sources?
"Your Grace," she said, "I have only one question. Do you wish this man crippled or dead?"

"My Lady," the protector of Grayson told his Champion, "I do not wish him to leave this chamber alive."

"As you will it, your Grace."

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