Spaceships, baby. Spaceships.

[Chris0013]

Sweetness...

and by that big mecha carrier in SC do you mean the transport that dropped the 15th on the mothership??

[taalismn]

Actually there should be TWO intermediary ship classes in the Robotech Masters' fleet...the Destroyers and the big multipurpose transports(we see one in detail at the Burial Mounds supporting the excavation work...

[Arnie100]

I know I'm starting to want the Masters book when it comes out!

[drewkitty ~..~]

snip...
Zentraedi:
Fulbtzs Berrentzs Command Base
Nupetiet Verginitz command flagship
Queadol-Magdomilla command ship
Quiltra Queleual landing ship
Thurverl Salan escort destroyers
Rineunadou Lojmeuean Class Monitor
Tou Redir scout ship
Boqomouxy Quel Quallie theater AWACS and Reconnaissance ship
Recovery pods
Shuttles
Frandlar Tiluvo landing pods
(Note the use of crazy Zentraedi moon language names for their ships)


...snip

Filled in some ship missing from the list.

[drewkitty ~..~]

something to look forward to....

After mysteries of magic


More PFRPB books...at least the done manuscripts like MoM

[Tiree]

I have to admit, this is what I am most looking forward to. I love starships and stuff - give me a good deckplan and I'll drool over it.

[Braden Campbell]

Will this book end up bumping Fleets of the Three Galaxies, which is much along the same lines only for the Phase World setting, to a later date?

[Chris0013]

I beleive he was talking about how the Oberth destroyer got mis-classified as the Lancer space fighter

[drewkitty ~..~]

I beleive he was talking about how the Oberth destroyer got mis-classified as the Lancer space fighter

Heh, oh yeah. You are correct. Score one for reading comprehension! I'm done posting before I've had my coffee.

The Oberth destroyer got mis-classified as the Lancer I space fighter.

There is a drone fighter that was called the Lancer II. These are seen launching from the A.R.M.D space platform in ep. 1.

[Drakenred®™©]

thoes were manned fighters. unless you saw something else.

[drewkitty ~..~]

Lancer II, In the anime notes in the back of RT main book, and the games stats.

Lancer I, I was pointing out that there were two Lancer named crafts in the RT mainbook, and which one was the mis-classified desroyer.

[drewkitty ~..~]

What's the potential release date (next year) of the captial ships book?

Um, next year? *shrugs and smiles wanly* Next year is as specific a date as I can give.

If PB puts out what is on it's sceduale before the RT:Ships, then it might come out next year. This assumes that they don't bump books ahead of others.

[Rabid Southern Cross Fan]

Now, I must ask a question that will likely shock some, but what about the DYRL 'Meltrandi'-style ships that appeared in Force of Arms? They predate the production of DYRL and appear in Robotech, so there should be no problem with Big West. There were also ships that were exactly like the SDF-01 that are shown in Khyron's Revenge when Gloval referenced the ancient rebellion of the Zentraedi that caused the collapse of the original Robotech civilization (and apparently lead to Zor's death).

DYRL Meltrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (01)

DYRL Meltrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (02)

DYRL Mentrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (03)

Ancient SDF-ship (01)

Ancient SDF-ship

[glitterboy2098]

how about some of the ships from New Generation? most are obviously just alternate 'zuchi's and garfish, but you have things like This. i put a box around a ship that looks rather like the sentinels SDF-3 ("zentreadi look")

of course, then there is an odder one

maybe the UEEF found another Tyrolian battleship somewhere in it's explorations?

of course, i'd love to see the Early Horizont type shuttles.

[Chris]

how about some of the ships from New Generation? most are obviously just alternate 'zuchi's and garfish, but you have things like This. i put a box around a ship that looks rather like the sentinels SDF-3 ("zentreadi look")

of course, then there is an odder one

maybe the UEEF found another Tyrolian battleship somewhere in it's explorations?

of course, i'd love to see the Early Horizont type shuttles.

Will we be seeing the Crusader Dropship and Horizon-V?

Also will there be write ups on Space Stations and other facilities like Moon Base ALuCE or the UEEF facilities on Mars and Jupiter (and elsewhere)?

[Rabid Southern Cross Fan]

Masters:
Mother Ship
The other common sub-capital that I can never remember the name of
Bioroid landing craft

One thing about the Multipurpose Transport, the size given at Robotech.com is completely innacurate. Its not 300m tall, its more like 50m. Please, for the love of God, do NOT use the stat as listed at Robotech.com, as Tommy Yune has been told, repeatedly, that its wrong. I've provided screen cap evidence as well, which I will do again here to make the point.

Multipurpose Transport size (01)

Multipurpose Transport size (02)

Multipurpose Transport size (03)

Multipurpose Transport size (04)

Multipurpose Transport size (05)

Multipurpose Transport size (06)

Mecha Deployment Hatch to Bioroid size comparison

Multipurpose Transport Lineart

[Rabid Southern Cross Fan]

The info on the multi-purpose transport is duly noted, thanks. As for those other ships, the "meltran" ones, I can't speak to them until I talk to Tommy about it. Do you have episode references on those ships?

They all appear in Force of Arms.

[Colonel Wolfe]

As the undisputed Macross Guru on these boards

:rolleyes: As This is the Palladium Robotech RPG forums (not Macross DYRL forums what ever that is.), I'm hopeing Jason will goto Tommy with this and see what Happens, The Ships dont look Like "blobs" to me, they look ships, and as they Appear in Robotech, they are open game for apperances in the Robotech RPG.

[Chris0013]

As the undisputed Macross Guru on these boards, .

ooooohhh...he is so humble....please allow us mere worhtless wannabes to bask in you rmagnificent radiance.

[Chris0013]

Did the Masters era have any Fold-capable shuttles or transports of Earth design?

I think the Banshee, Battle and Tristar were capable of it.....at least the Tristar (Emerson's flag ship) had a fold drive installed. This is based on that whole orbital warp blast manuever.

[Chris0013]

Quit it with the name calling and the flame baiting or I'll have this thread locked. If you guys can't play nice we won't play at all.

I apoligize...it was late when I posted and I was tired. I hear people self-proclaiming how there pooh don't stink and automatically get snarky.

[taalismn]

Did the Masters era have any Fold-capable shuttles or transports of Earth design?

No evidence to suggest they do...When the Masters' flagship is evacuated, we do see shots of large evacuation vessels as well as the Tirolian destroyers, and later on we see, when the Masters are dumping clones out into space, a smaller shuttle that shows some resemblance to the Bioroid Landing Craft, but again, there's no evidence to suggest they have Fold capability...
Nor is there any evidence that the larger Zentraedi shuttles are Fold-capable, though they are certainly large enough that one would think they could support a Fold generator!

[taalismn]

Now, I must ask a question that will likely shock some, but what about the DYRL 'Meltrandi'-style ships that appeared in Force of Arms? They predate the production of DYRL and appear in Robotech, so there should be no problem with Big West. There were also ships that were exactly like the SDF-01 that are shown in Khyron's Revenge when Gloval referenced the ancient rebellion of the Zentraedi that caused the collapse of the original Robotech civilization (and apparently lead to Zor's death).

DYRL Meltrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (01)

DYRL Meltrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (02)

DYRL Mentrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (03)

Ancient SDF-ship (01)

Ancient SDF-ship

Much as I'd love to see the DYRL designs show up, I don't see it. THese ships are random 'noise' thrown in for background in scenes that were going to pass the eye in mere moments....THey WON'T see stat-status in any PB book because realistically they don't appear in large enough numbers to suggest significant classes in the vast Zentraedi armada, and it won't be cost-effective to print pages devoted to each of them.
In all likelihood, they don't differ much stat-wise from the major classes as we know them; perhaps small tweaks in armor values, crew/mecha complement, and number of standardized armament emplacements.
It will fall to the fans to decide and unofficially stat out what these ships are like...they may represent a variety of different things; different makes by different Factory Satellites,earlier obsolete classes, highly or overly specialized types, one-off prototypes, or elite experimental units...with their presence in the Grand Fleet being for an equal variety of reasons(withdrawn from frontline service to serve as a last ditch reserve, held back because of their power to protect Dolza, or sent out only to fulfill specific roles like minelaying, stealth commando inserts, remote surveillance, etc...)...That actually gives GMs with the time and disposition some leeway to create their own ships for rogue Zentraedi bands with a unique ride, or villians with an extra edge over the players already familiar with most Zentraedi ships...

[Colonel Wolfe]

Much as I'd love to see the DYRL designs show up

These Designs Appear in Robotech... not this DYRL people keep refering to. since they are in Robotech, I'm sure they can appear in the Robotech RPG.

[drewkitty ~..~]

DYRL Meltrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (01)

The two ship to the right are possible the for runners, artistically, to two of the L,DYR meltrandi ships. The colorations in this frame are that of the rest of the zent ships, but if they were off white as most of the Meltrandi ships in L,DYR they would be a very close match. The one that appears to have a split aft section, the one I remember has a split for section. The third one on the left, I don't recognize.

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DYRL Meltrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (02)

DYRL Mentrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (03)

The circled ship in the top frame and the ship in the background of the bottom frame are the same class ship. Other then that, I don't recognize the ship. It is not listed in the ships listings I remember.
I agree that the PAs in the bottom frame are just 'simplified' Male power armors. In the days of hand drawn animation they did that with complicated, small scale shots.


I agree with taalismn that I doubt they will be written up in a PB game book because they just do not have the screen time for them to be significant.

(speculation below)
However, on the contrary, the standard ships now seen as cannon Zent ship might just end up as a regional force that just happened upon the sdf-1's trail, thus they were all stylistically the same. This could be a result of being built by the same batch of factory satellites. Or because the differences were built into the differing fleets by the masters as a way for each fleet to tell the other regional fleets from each other. And the ships shown in the frames were 'visiting', "liaisons", or captured. *shrugs*

P.S.
(oh my, I read like two lines of T's post before writing mine and we both end up thinking, sort of, along the same lines in our respective speculations. )

[taalismn]

We also can't rule out specialized types....The Zentraedi DO deploy specialized munitions, for instance...Example: In Bye Bye Mars, Khyron deploys 'gravity mines' to prevent the SDF-1 from taking off...these have no apparent effect on smaller craft, but effectively keep the SDF-1 from taking off...Rght off the bat I'd say the mines interfere with anti-grav systems, but the SDF-1 had already lost its AG generators, and was dependent on thrusters, so that idea's out...so maybe they were directed magnetic, acting on the hull of the ship? This sort of gear needs to be stated out, since it just might appear in other situations!
Still, deploying them either requires modified Recovery Pods or maybe preprogrammed versions of the Factory Satellite drones...and since such don't appear as standard equipment in the complements of the standard Zentraedi warship classes, either one of Khyron's flotilla was outfitted as a combat engineering ship with a payload/complement, or he had a specialized vessel attached to his Battalion....that could be one such immediate use for these 'off-board' ships...

[drewkitty ~..~]

I can see Khyron being a collector of diverse military equipment, and having the devious mind to use them effectively. While most of the ship commanders would be strait line 'hammer--> bigger hammer' thinkers.

The SDF-1 had lost, 'some--> most' of its AG system components. Some of these had been replaced by the time they set down on mars. This is why it still had to use them in conjunction with their thrusters when they set down on mars. And had to use the Main Lift Engines when they had to depart so swiftly.

[taalismn]

I can see Khyron being a collector of diverse military equipment, and having the devious mind to use them effectively. While most of the ship commanders would be strait line 'hammer--> bigger hammer' thinkers.

The SDF-1 had lost, 'some--> most' of its AG system components. Some of these had been replaced by the time they set down on mars. This is why it still had to use them in conjunction with their thrusters when they set down on mars. And had to use the Main Lift Engines when they had to depart so swiftly.

Okay, so the AG-Block theory is still sound...that's good to know...

[wilenburg]

The SDF-1 had gravity platting inside of the ship for the gravity mines to work if it did not then macross city would never have worked out with people walking and a lot of other problems would arise with cars and taxi service of the city so that is the AG field to attract the mines so they could work on the SDF-1.

[glitterboy2098]

actually, since the SDF-1 has mass, and all mass has gravity and is effected by gravity, no need to handwave somesystem holding it down because of internal gravity systems.

all you need to do is increase the local gravity around it, and thus the thrust needed to get enough velocity to get airborne.

[taalismn]

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DYRL Meltrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (01)

DYRL Meltrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (02)

DYRL Mentrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (03)

]

So what functions, missions, attributes, or special properties would you folks attribute to these circled ships?
For instance, the winged design in the last picture...Lots of wing surfaces, and if we presume the power armors are part of its complement...an atmospheric raider or some sort? Close ground support unit?

What might be the advantage of the two long swept-back flanges on that other ship?
Or a hammerhead prow?

[Drakenred®™©]

actually, since the SDF-1 has mass, and all mass has gravity and is effected by gravity, no need to handwave somesystem holding it down because of internal gravity systems.

all you need to do is increase the local gravity around it, and thus the thrust needed to get enough velocity to get airborne.

you need handwavium just to get the layout of the city of macross to work in the first pace. Never mind the fact that its aparently at right angles to the main line of thrust of the SDF1, or the fact that its aparently on a balistic trajectory for most of the series (thus no thrust to create acceleration based gravity)

[glitterboy2098]

actually, since the SDF-1 has mass, and all mass has gravity and is effected by gravity, no need to handwave somesystem holding it down because of internal gravity systems.

all you need to do is increase the local gravity around it, and thus the thrust needed to get enough velocity to get airborne.

you need handwavium just to get the layout of the city of macross to work in the first pace. Never mind the fact that its aparently at right angles to the main line of thrust of the SDF1, or the fact that its aparently on a balistic trajectory for most of the series (thus no thrust to create acceleration based gravity)

i wasn't argueing that the SDF-1 lacked artificial gravity, i was pointing out to wilenburg that khyrons gravity mine trap probably didn't use the SDF-1's artificial grav to work.

given that we know they can generate gravity on board ship, and can generate an oppossing force for flight, it makes more sense that Khyron's trap was just gravity generators to increase the local surface gravity.

mars has 1/3rd the gravity of earth, which is why the SDF-1 could land using it's weakened antigrav. if Khyron was to triple the local gravity, to a full g, the SDF-1 would be incapable of lifting off without those lift rockets (so conviently damaged...)

this would also explain why the fighters and mecha were seemingly uneffected, since 1g would be normal parameters for them, so you'd not see too great of a loss of ability.

[Beatmeclever]

Hey Gideon, are the ships in the updated Shadow Chronicles also going to be in the Spaceships book? I don't want to have to pay again for information I already have to get stuff I don't.

[Colonel Wolfe]

Hey Gideon, are the ships in the updated Shadow Chronicles also going to be in the Spaceships book? I don't want to have to pay again for information I already have to get stuff I don't.

from Kevin's Murmers in the Past, the information in the Hard-back Shadow Chronicles book will be in the Star-ships book. only because the Hard-back is suposed to be a limited-run and the Space-ship book will prolly be a "core" book.
I'd prefer all the information in one book. with sprinkles of some ships in the manga books.

[drewkitty ~..~]

I hope they print all the refits and production run variants. ( shadow, pre-S, & Post S)

I was comparing the Garfish's pre-S and post-S dimensions and the Post-S length is 67.77% longer (the pre-S beam and height are %^&ed up so can't make a comparison) while the weight of the post-S is almost four times that of the Pre-S weight. I would happen to guess the weight quadrupling is mainly due to the fold drive while the size increase is to fit the fold drive and the point defense lasers into the hull. Not to mention the power runs to the new/larger Particle Beam turret.

[Chris0013]

Any chance of refits for the SC ships like what was done to the Tokugawa in Prelude to the Shadow Chronicles?

[Chris0013]

Here's hoping....I think the refit Tokugawa colors and the "fins" around the thrusters would look sweet on the SC ships.

[ajac09]

Now just need a vehicle and a mecha guide!!

[Chris]

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DYRL Meltrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (01)

DYRL Meltrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (02)

DYRL Mentrandi-style ships appearing in Robotech (03)

]

So what functions, missions, attributes, or special properties would you folks attribute to these circled ships?
For instance, the winged design in the last picture...Lots of wing surfaces, and if we presume the power armors are part of its complement...an atmospheric raider or some sort? Close ground support unit?

What might be the advantage of the two long swept-back flanges on that other ship?
Or a hammerhead prow?

Well, my initial reaction would be to say that since they are still inside during the big attack that they are support vessels of some sort, the two pronged one could be a tug of sorts, designed to saddle up to a larger ship and cradle the nose of it in between its booms and tow it to a berth (maybe for larger, more damaged ships where smaller tugs would not work.)

The long spindly one could be anything from a troop transport to a fleet oiler. Heck, even more mundane, it could be a training ship for recently cloned fleet personnel.

Of course they may be specialized models not suited for, or even needed outside. The wide aerodynamic one could be a troop/mecha carrier (like you suggested) for use in landing operations and the quick insertion of massive amounts of troops where the target area has significant anti-air/anti-ship to bring down the standard, slower, Zentradi LST. It could also be a fuel/water carrier to deliver liquid supplies to outposts or other faraway bases.

[drewkitty ~..~]

Now just need a vehicle and a mecha guide!!

I can see this happening if they fit it into a GMG. Sort of like PB did with rifts.

[taalismn]

Now just need a vehicle and a mecha guide!!

I can see this happening if they fit it into a GMG. Sort of like PB did with rifts.

Zentraedi Ships---400 pages---Volume One!

Yeah...I know..dream on....

[drewkitty ~..~]

actully they are planing a book of just the Space Ships, so the zent ships they leave out of the Macross book will be included in the ships book.

when 09 said mecha, I took that as anything smaller then a the oberoth destroyer

[drewkitty ~..~]

In their modified versions, after they had been recovered, those two wet navy ships are space ships.

Wet navy ships have the same pressure tight hatches, while space ships have airtight hatches.
Yes, there is a difference. You are smart, so figure out what I mean.

[NMI]

Far out there question: Prometheus and Deadales (typo's yes i know, im tired) appear in the macross book, they are technically a space ship since they are attached to the SDF-1.

Soooooo think we can get some deck plans for those in the new book coming out next year Or do i need to hold onto my RDF Field Manual?

Probably not til the Spaceship sourcebook.

[Protoculture]

I heard somebody in a huffy to get lineart for UEDF TSC starships like:

- UES Tristar
- UES Battle / Defender
- UES Banshee / Gremlin

Pls noted the above designation came mainly from uRRG. Sufficed to say, the now defunct Southern Cross Recruitment Manual site did have line drawings of the above listed ships, on which done by Nathan Babcook, the owner of the site.

Unfortunately, when the site went offline, so did the artwork too.

Fortunately, I did managed to save the linearts for those rare UEDF (TSC) spaceships. For those wishing for me to email the linearts, pm me immediately. I'll only entertained hardcore SCA fans & Palladium staffers in dire needs of good reference materials, which each request will be undergone screening process. I believed RSCF might be interested though .....

[MikelAmroni]

and by totally sweet you mean FREAKING AWESOME...

or maybe that's just me

[Protoculture]

OK, regarding UEDF ships linearts, dang it, due to my computer being corrupted by online trojans, I'm quite wary of sending 'em via emails attachments to some of you guys.

At the end of this week, I'll upload 'em babies to an online image sharing site. Heck, I'll open a new thread for Pete's sake!

You guys can expect:

1) SDF-2
2) SDF-3 (Pre-Shadow refit)
3) Tristar
4) Banshee / Gremlin
5) Battle / Defender
6) Various UEDF shuttles (2nd Gen era)
7) Tokugawa (Pre-Shadow refit)

[MOrab46019]

What about the Zen Factory are we going to see this in the Spaceship book or will this get cover in up comming Zen book. Or another book titile Space stations and outposts?. Thank you.

[Treefrog]

The following are questions I have for the Capital Ships book:

1) Will the Valivarre-class SDFs make it into it? The reason why I ask is that its one of my favorite ship designs - though I have no idea if it was in any of the episodes...

2) Will the pre-refit SDF-3 (which was in the Prelude to the Shadow Chronicles, Issue 1 - pages 1 and 10) and the 1st Ed. Sentinels book make it in?