best d-bee for a magic user/fighter?

[Dustin Fireblade]

Well, the Cernum is a MD D-Bee, which isn't allowed by the books.

So looking at SDC races, the Aardan Tek or Noli might make interesting choices. Both can be found in D-Bee's of North America.

The Wolfen from Palladium Fantasy should make for a good Battle Magi as well.

[rat_bastard]

I did the math and Snellig Spinne makes the deadliest battle mage ever.

Extra attacks

four arms that act simultaneously

personal forcefield

huge starting prowl

auto dodge

venomous bite

burrowing ability

incredible physical stats

climbing ability

[rat_bastard]

the what? what book it that in? is it a rcc?

its a race and its in D-Bees of north america.

[Dustin Fireblade]

So would they be the most typically associated with battle msgi or are there any others?

Actually humans make up 60% and Elves make up 20% of all Battle Magi. The last 20% is various other races.

[csbioborg]

octuman


but I'd say just play a basklisk
they are fun to play

[Danger]

Talus Battle Magus

[Dustin Fireblade]

Only prob with the Spinne is though that the description under O.C.C.s says no psionic or magic O.C.C.s allowed.

It doesn't say that, at least not regarding magic.

It does mention that there are no CURRENT and KNOWN spell casters among the Spinne.

On the other hand, I was wrong about the Noli as well.

[Dustin Fireblade]

So the Aardan Tek and the Devilman are the only two valid options so far then?

The Spinne is available, so is the Wolfen and Talus as mentioned above.

The Squilb, Septumran Witch Wolves might make for interesting choices.

[rat_bastard]

Only prob with the Spinne is though that the description under O.C.C.s says no psionic or magic O.C.C.s allowed.

It doesn't say that, at least not regarding magic.

It does mention that there are no CURRENT and KNOWN spell casters among the Spinne.

On the other hand, I was wrong about the Noli as well.

it does not say that either.

Starke tend towards techno wizards Snellig towards active mages.

[Dustin Fireblade]

Only prob with the Spinne is though that the description under O.C.C.s says no psionic or magic O.C.C.s allowed.

It doesn't say that, at least not regarding magic.

It does mention that there are no CURRENT and KNOWN spell casters among the Spinne.

On the other hand, I was wrong about the Noli as well.

it does not say that either.

Starke tend towards techno wizards Snellig towards active mages.

there are no known mages among the Spinne.

What exactly was I wrong about? Unless you mean I didn't provide the whole thing about magic, which I didn't really see as relevant since I was simply correcting another poster that the Spinne could have magic OCC's.

[Danger]

Great thing about the Talus is that they can have Super Powers also. This, paired with their racial Martial Art that gives them Auto-Dodge, is what makes them the undisputed champions.

I believe one of our GM's is still having nightmares about the Talus Battlemage abomination I helped a friend make. I suggested the Super Powers for him:

Major Power - APS: Metal
Major Power - Sonic Flight
Minor Power - Healing Factor

In the end, I think my friend's character had over 1100 MDC, was impervious to cold, took half damage from fire, 1/3rd effect from poisons/toxins/drugs, with somewhere in the neighborhood of a +10 save vs magic & psionics (Nearly Impervious), +5 (or more) Auto-Dodge, and 6 attacks/round at lvl 1. Oh yeah, and he had Superhuman strength, and could fly at Mach 1.

It was scary.

[grandmaster z0b]

True Atlantean could also be good, or even an elf.

[Captain Shiva]

I would go with the Jeridu from LOTD,book one. Six arms, full coordination with all of them,gets paired weapons as a racial ability,and are automatically proficient with daggers.Plus,they get auto-dodge.Add on the Battle Magus abilities,and your booty kicking capabilities will increase exponentially. For some reason, I keep picturing one with a Wilk's Laser Sword in each hand.

[Subjugator]

Obligatory Mulka comment.

[DtMK]

Two come to mind. One, the Klied from Skraypers. A naturally super powered being, it says they would be fascinated with magic and could learn how to wield it. The other from Land of the Damned 1, since the Jeridu was mentioned above, I have to nominate the Kildred. They're S.D.C. beings, but they have both high levels of P.P.E. in addition to being able to select a magic class, and psionic abilities as well as being naturally charismatic and able to gain followers. The biggest problem would be their vulnerability to rune magic, other than that, go to town.

[DtMK]

Obligatory Mulka comment.

Oh sure, nothing like the omnipotent child beings with unlimited P.P.E. to spice things up at level 1!

[Steeler49er]

hEH?
Forget the Magus magical classes and go strait fer the Magically Powered Gizzards... Play a Lizard Mage!
They got KICKen magic stats (as long as you go by the original Rifts First Conversion Book), they even get an extra spell attack or two per melee!!!


Teh hee, Subjugator called Mulka
Love those lil guys! Endless PPE, and ISP, knows Every spell made and not made, has every Psionic & Super power (even the ones made by Izcer )... 100's of Invulnerable B@D @$$ lil Gary Colmens, you can't go wrong!

[londonbaz]

Aviane from Dbees of NA make for a pretty decent Battle Magus

[DtMK]

There have been changes to a few races. In D-Bees of North America, it says the Lyvorrkians are now M.D.C., but in Vampire Kingdoms, they are S.D.C. beings with 6D6X100 S.D.C.! I'd rule that the change may have something to do with all the magic released during the Siege on Tolkeen altering certain races with further mystical energies. On that note, if you want a crazy but fun Battle Magus, pick a Lyvorrkian! Slightly nuts, high damage capacity and the ability to control reptiles and lizard-like beings like dinosaurs? Forget riding an Automaton, get yourself an Alien Rex!

[The Galactus Kid]

Dewtani. Nothin spells lovin' like a crazy warrior mage.

[DtMK]

Skraypers also says that a Klied could come to Rifts Earth and learn magic. Super Energy Expulsion: Electricity, radar, energy resistance, superhuman/robotic strength and natural flight? I'd hate to see a high level Klied Battle Magus coming at me! He'd be shooting lighting without casting spells or spending P.P.E. or I.S.P.!

[Captain Shiva]

Great thing about the Talus is that they can have Super Powers also. This, paired with their racial Martial Art that gives them Auto-Dodge, is what makes them the undisputed champions.

I believe one of our GM's is still having nightmares about the Talus Battlemage abomination I helped a friend make. I suggested the Super Powers for him:

Major Power - APS: Metal
Major Power - Sonic Flight
Minor Power - Healing Factor

In the end, I think my friend's character had over 1100 MDC, was impervious to cold, took half damage from fire, 1/3rd effect from poisons/toxins/drugs, with somewhere in the neighborhood of a +10 save vs magic & psionics (Nearly Impervious), +5 (or more) Auto-Dodge, and 6 attacks/round at lvl 1. Oh yeah, and he had Superhuman strength, and could fly at Mach 1.

It was scary.

It's his own fault for not reading the rulebook carefully;especially the part where it says that Battle Magi are restricted to mortal sdc beings.

[Captain Shiva]

Now that I think about it,a Gromek Battle Magus might be nice. Natural Winged Flight? Oh,yeah.

[Danger]

Great thing about the Talus is that they can have Super Powers also. This, paired with their racial Martial Art that gives them Auto-Dodge, is what makes them the undisputed champions.

I believe one of our GM's is still having nightmares about the Talus Battlemage abomination I helped a friend make. I suggested the Super Powers for him:

Major Power - APS: Metal
Major Power - Sonic Flight
Minor Power - Healing Factor

In the end, I think my friend's character had over 1100 MDC, was impervious to cold, took half damage from fire, 1/3rd effect from poisons/toxins/drugs, with somewhere in the neighborhood of a +10 save vs magic & psionics (Nearly Impervious), +5 (or more) Auto-Dodge, and 6 attacks/round at lvl 1. Oh yeah, and he had Superhuman strength, and could fly at Mach 1.

It was scary.

It's his own fault for not reading the rulebook carefully;especially the part where it says that Battle Magi are restricted to mortal sdc beings.

The Talus is both mortal and SDC.

[londonbaz]

Now that I think about it,a Gromek Battle Magus might be nice. Natural Winged Flight? Oh,yeah.

I still think an Aviane would be better in this role...

[DtMK]

There's a Gromek Battle Magus in Sot: Final Siege. I'd like to see a Avianne mage go head to head with it.

[everloss]

hEH?
Forget the Magus magical classes and go strait fer the Magically Powered Gizzards... Play a Lizard Mage!
They got KICKen magic stats (as long as you go by the original Rifts First Conversion Book), they even get an extra spell attack or two per melee!!!

what changed from the first conversion book? i haven't seen Lizard Mages statted other than the 1st CB.

[Shark_Force]

hEH?
Forget the Magus magical classes and go strait fer the Magically Powered Gizzards... Play a Lizard Mage!
They got KICKen magic stats (as long as you go by the original Rifts First Conversion Book), they even get an extra spell attack or two per melee!!!

what changed from the first conversion book? i haven't seen Lizard Mages statted other than the 1st CB.

under the old rules, you only got 2 spells per melee, no matter how many attacks you had (and if you were casting high level spells, that went down further). the exact interaction between attacks per round and spells per round was never clearly defined either (much like the current archery and targeting rules that are still around, if i'm not mistaken).

in any event, the point was that they needed the extra spell per round to be explicit, whereas in RUE anyone with 3 attacks per round and the ability to cast spells can potentially cast 3 spells per round. so a version updated to RUE would presumably not have the bonus spell per round.

[londonbaz]

There's a Gromek Battle Magus in Sot: Final Siege. I'd like to see a Avianne mage go head to head with it.

Being AFB at the moment, is the Avianne just wildly outmatched? I could have sworn that my recollections made it a faster, nastier combatant.