Does it mean the ability to see in total darkness (as would be implied by Dwarves [the description mentions total darkness, the natural ability (the one in question here) does not] and Ratlings [they have two different abilities one called "nightvision" one called "passive nightvision" and sensitive whiskers to maneuver in total darkness].)
Or does it mean just passive night vision. As in the elves seem to indicate (they are listed in the main book to have "nightvision", but have a correction in AothHS and the Cutting Room Floor stating they have total nightvision. As well as the creatures that explicitly have "total" like Algor and Cyclops (and others which i had listed before REG ate my post ) while Jotan (clearly the more likely to be subterranean) do not.
Nightvision means that they need some sort of light, be it moon, star, or whatever kind of light to amplify it so they can see.
See in total darkness means that no light source is required.
Now if you want some species to have it mean both, then go for it. I'm only giving my interpretation of the two abilities.
Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Sorry, but your poll doesn't support the correct option, which is "depends on the creature".
Would you care to elaborate on this?
Like many abilities, Nightvision can be classed as a "Natural Ability" or "Supernatural Power", depending on the creature in question (even though creature descriptions typically lump all supernatural powers in with natural abilities). Therefore, there's no one standard of Nightvision as an ability. Some creatures can see in total darkness, others only in lowlight conditions. (some even have differing levels of both).
I usually go with total darkness, but: I also use HUII powers which include IR/UV Vision, and others, so I always have options in determining special visual abilities. I don't just give "total darkness vision" if I think another vision is more appropriate.
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I tend to go with Total Darkness based on races like the Kobold, Dwarf, and Trog. If they needed another light source, their NV would be pointless to have. If it doesn't make sense I might limit it, but as a general rule if it doesn't say they require another light source, I don't make them. Magical Darkness is, of course, a whole other ballgame.
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Most of the night vision discribed in the natural powers section of races is the low light nightvision. Its only those that say that they can see in absolout darkness that can actully see in absolute darkness.
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Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Sorry, but your poll doesn't support the correct option, which is "depends on the creature".
Would you care to elaborate on this?
Like many abilities, Nightvision can be classed as a "Natural Ability" or "Supernatural Power", depending on the creature in question (even though creature descriptions typically lump all supernatural powers in with natural abilities). Therefore, there's no one standard of Nightvision as an ability. Some creatures can see in total darkness, others only in lowlight conditions. (some even have differing levels of both).
The description of species say if they "can see in total darkness" or "nightvision". Personally, I haven't noticed a species' description say one and mean the other.
Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Sorry, but your poll doesn't support the correct option, which is "depends on the creature".
Would you care to elaborate on this?
Like many abilities, Nightvision can be classed as a "Natural Ability" or "Supernatural Power", depending on the creature in question (even though creature descriptions typically lump all supernatural powers in with natural abilities). Therefore, there's no one standard of Nightvision as an ability. Some creatures can see in total darkness, others only in lowlight conditions. (some even have differing levels of both).
The description of species say if they "can see in total darkness" or "nightvision". Personally, I haven't noticed a species' description say one and mean the other.
Maybe you should read the books more. Most of the critters that can see in total darkness are listed as "Nightvision # ft (# m; can see in total darkness)."
C.R.A.F.T. wrote:Why does "Nightvision" have a range listed?
Personally I'm glad they actually list ranges for how far someone can see with nightvision...too bad they haven't done so for regular vision on a usable basis.
Shouldn't it depend on the natural limitations of the race?
MaddogMatarese wrote:The description of species say if they "can see in total darkness" or "nightvision". Personally, I haven't noticed a species' description say one and mean the other.
Ok, wait, so, Dwarves can or cannot see in total darkness
Here's an interesting question...where's the evidence from the books for the people who incorrectly voted one or the other? I mean seriously...70% of the voters have picked one or the other...but we have yet to see any support from the books to back up those votes.
MaddogMatarese wrote:The description of species say if they "can see in total darkness" or "nightvision". Personally, I haven't noticed a species' description say one and mean the other.
Ok, wait, so, Dwarves can or cannot see in total darkness
No, the book does state that dwarves can see in total darkness, but not in the Natural Abilities section (where it should be, but this is Palladium). It's in the flavor text part.
Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Here's an interesting question...where's the evidence from the books for the people who incorrectly voted one or the other? I mean seriously...70% of the voters have picked one or the other...but we have yet to see any support from the books to back up those votes.
Well, i knew there wasn't an answer in the books, so i really am looking for opinions... And i am being more swayed toward a "very few can see in total darkness" theory than i was before...
Which is good news for humans going underground, i guess, 'cause there will be lights down there...
Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Here's an interesting question...where's the evidence from the books for the people who incorrectly voted one or the other? I mean seriously...70% of the voters have picked one or the other...but we have yet to see any support from the books to back up those votes.
Well, i knew there wasn't an answer in the books, so i really am looking for opinions... And i am being more swayed toward a "very few can see in total darkness" theory than i was before...
Which is good news for humans going underground, i guess, 'cause there will be lights down there...
There is an answer to the question you posed though, it depends on the creature in question. Whether or not "very few can see in total darkness" is irrelavant to the question.
acreRake wrote:K. What about Faeries? And other supernatural creatures?
A few of the Faeries can see in total darkness. Like many things, the various creatures of magic and supernatural creatures almost seem to have their nightvision ability randomly assigned.
I've split it into two abilitys;
Nightvision, which requires some amount of light to work, and is useless in total darkness
Nightsight, which works in total darkness (common among supernatural beings and suberraian races), and can see twice as far if there is some light.
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If the creature or being is nocturnal, I'd have to say they have passive
nightvision. If the creature of being lives underground (natural habitat)
I'd say they have "see in total darkness." Humanoid creatures are
not going to evolve in a way that requires them to have fire in order to
see in the dark if their race has "always" lived underground. So elves
and wolfen would be passive nightvision, while dwarves, kobolds, trogs,
and the rest of the underground folks would be "see in total darkness."
Supernatural creatures and creature of magic would be see in total darkness as well.
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) while Jotan (clearly the more likely to be subterranean) do not.
