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Crucible wrote:

The Beast wrote:

Anthar wrote:I really don't see what's the point to this thread.

There's another (now locked) thread about wether or not CKs could be subjected to bio-wizardry, and some posters not only ignored the evidence from the books that said it could happen, but then went on to say it would be impossible to capture a CK in the first place.

I never said it was impossible. Thats how the whole thing got ugly. Making claims that I said something I didn't. In fact I normally say that Rifts has no world beaters.

The Beast wrote:

Crucible wrote:

The Beast wrote:

Anthar wrote:I really don't see what's the point to this thread.

There's another (now locked) thread about wether or not CKs could be subjected to bio-wizardry, and some posters not only ignored the evidence from the books that said it could happen, but then went on to say it would be impossible to capture a CK in the first place.

I never said it was impossible. Thats how the whole thing got ugly. Making claims that I said something I didn't. In fact I normally say that Rifts has no world beaters.

Did I say it was you?

Archangel23 wrote:IMO Glitterboy Boom Gun. it's called the Holy Grail for a reason. CK are not immune to it and it does great damage with lots of range. GB's also have enough MDC to stand up to CK attacks, at least for a bit.

Lenwen wrote:What is the way you would stop a Cosmo-Knight ?

Archangel23 wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:So what happens when the Cosmo Knight puts the Glitter Boy into a full nelson?

Then I think it's a matter of who hits who first. Think of it this way. A CK, normally immune to damge in phase world(Most people there use energy) and he see this power armor pointing agun at him. Most likely he's not even going to try to dodge. he gets hit, for lots of damage, and that much it would have to hurt. Thus the GB can either keep hitting him or force the CK to retreat.

Archangel23 wrote:

Crucible wrote:

Archangel23 wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:So what happens when the Cosmo Knight puts the Glitter Boy into a full nelson?

Then I think it's a matter of who hits who first. Think of it this way. A CK, normally immune to damge in phase world(Most people there use energy) and he see this power armor pointing agun at him. Most likely he's not even going to try to dodge. he gets hit, for lots of damage, and that much it would have to hurt. Thus the GB can either keep hitting him or force the CK to retreat.

Thre are no GB's in ANY of the Phase World dimensions? I thought there were. I never placed them out there though. GB's in space or something.

By the books, I don't think so. I could be wrong, but I've never seen them.

Glitter boys of the original design, the new Triax version, and space models can be found throughout the 3 Galaxies.

Archangel23 wrote:

The Beast wrote:DB2, page 114, last paragraph on the left:

Glitter boys of the original design, the new Triax version, and space models can be found throughout the 3 Galaxies.

Hmmmm, even so, it may remove the surprise of not knowing what the Glitter Boy is, but still, the GB has more range then the CK and if he catches him by surprise then thats lots of damage form the Boom Gun.

Archangel23 wrote:

Crucible wrote:Archangel23

This may be true, but needs to be played out. I honestly think the GB may have the edge...but I once thought a Mega Juicer had the edge over a Cyber Knight until it played out.

but the GB would. the cosmo knight has no information on him and seeing a big, shiny, man pointing a gun at you, which more often then not fires an energy beam, your not going to think it's a Threat.

And why wouldn't a mega juicer have an advantage over a Cyber-Knight? Don't give the mega juicer any armor or weapons and he'd be able to win.

Crucible wrote:

Archangel23 wrote:

Crucible wrote:Archangel23

This may be true, but needs to be played out. I honestly think the GB may have the edge...but I once thought a Mega Juicer had the edge over a Cyber Knight until it played out.

but the GB would. the cosmo knight has no information on him and seeing a big, shiny, man pointing a gun at you, which more often then not fires an energy beam, your not going to think it's a Threat.

And why wouldn't a mega juicer have an advantage over a Cyber-Knight? Don't give the mega juicer any armor or weapons and he'd be able to win.

Thats why I said, it has to be played out. The Cyber-Knight beat the Mega Juicer in this game, good rolls, smart actions, and role-play. Sometimes that can trump a template and very well.

Question, how long would it take for the Cosmo Knight to realize the capabilities of the immobile GB shooting from a fixed spot?

steve652 wrote:Five or six flying powerarmors, let's say samus and a few lucky attack rolls for the railguns. In ngr territory just a few borgs mith railguns and u.round. nothing is unkillable not even the cosmoknight. The more oppenents the more chance of a critical hit.

Crucible wrote:

Archangel23 wrote:

Crucible wrote:Archangel23

This may be true, but needs to be played out. I honestly think the GB may have the edge...but I once thought a Mega Juicer had the edge over a Cyber Knight until it played out.

but the GB would. the cosmo knight has no information on him and seeing a big, shiny, man pointing a gun at you, which more often then not fires an energy beam, your not going to think it's a Threat.

And why wouldn't a mega juicer have an advantage over a Cyber-Knight? Don't give the mega juicer any armor or weapons and he'd be able to win.

Thats why I said, it has to be played out. The Cyber-Knight beat the Mega Juicer in this game, good rolls, smart actions, and role-play. Sometimes that can trump a template and very well.

Question, how long would it take for the Cosmo Knight to realize the capabilities of the immobile GB shooting from a fixed spot?

Balabanto wrote:

Crucible wrote:

Archangel23 wrote:

Crucible wrote:Archangel23

This may be true, but needs to be played out. I honestly think the GB may have the edge...but I once thought a Mega Juicer had the edge over a Cyber Knight until it played out.

but the GB would. the cosmo knight has no information on him and seeing a big, shiny, man pointing a gun at you, which more often then not fires an energy beam, your not going to think it's a Threat.

And why wouldn't a mega juicer have an advantage over a Cyber-Knight? Don't give the mega juicer any armor or weapons and he'd be able to win.

Thats why I said, it has to be played out. The Cyber-Knight beat the Mega Juicer in this game, good rolls, smart actions, and role-play. Sometimes that can trump a template and very well.

Question, how long would it take for the Cosmo Knight to realize the capabilities of the immobile GB shooting from a fixed spot?

The reason why the CK won that fight is Zen Combat, penalties, and automatic dodge vs. the Juicer Biocomp. Plus, 2 Psi-Swords vs. Supernatural Strength is about an even swap out, and you can't disarm a Psi Sword. Plus, only an idiot would try to grapple someone who can turn the psi swords into psi-knives and stab him in the face repeatedly while being squeezed. There are dozens of good reasons why the CK would win that battle. You're underestimating how potent that class is. Plus, Cyberknights can have magic tattoos, and the PPE to use them. Think about that one for a minute.

Balabanto wrote:It is a piece of technology. I wouldn't be the first person to use this interpretation, either. Technically, if you can use telemechanics on it, you can Zen Combat it.

Max™ wrote:

What the CK does not have, and the GB does, is an advanced elite sensor array that allows him to select the battlefield and terms of combat.

I could swear a CK had sensory capabilities on the level of being able to detect starships by sight from great distances.

Balabanto wrote:

Crucible wrote:

Archangel23 wrote:

Crucible wrote:Archangel23

This may be true, but needs to be played out. I honestly think the GB may have the edge...but I once thought a Mega Juicer had the edge over a Cyber Knight until it played out.

but the GB would. the cosmo knight has no information on him and seeing a big, shiny, man pointing a gun at you, which more often then not fires an energy beam, your not going to think it's a Threat.

And why wouldn't a mega juicer have an advantage over a Cyber-Knight? Don't give the mega juicer any armor or weapons and he'd be able to win.

Thats why I said, it has to be played out. The Cyber-Knight beat the Mega Juicer in this game, good rolls, smart actions, and role-play. Sometimes that can trump a template and very well.

Question, how long would it take for the Cosmo Knight to realize the capabilities of the immobile GB shooting from a fixed spot?

The reason why the CK won that fight is Zen Combat, penalties, and automatic dodge vs. the Juicer Biocomp. Plus, 2 Psi-Swords vs. Supernatural Strength is about an even swap out, and you can't disarm a Psi Sword. Plus, only an idiot would try to grapple someone who can turn the psi swords into psi-knives and stab him in the face repeatedly while being squeezed. There are dozens of good reasons why the CK would win that battle. You're underestimating how potent that class is. Plus, Cyberknights can have magic tattoos, and the PPE to use them. Think about that one for a minute.

The Cosmo Knight vs. the Glitter Boy is another story entirely. This is, quite simply, a slaughter. The CK will smash the glitter boy into pulp unless terrain is on the side of the GB. What the CK does not have, and the GB does, is an advanced elite sensor array that allows him to select the battlefield and terms of combat. Literally, If I'm the GB, I want the CK to be outside a copse of thick, heavy MDC foliage while I am on the inside (Preferably with monsters that don't care about technology but feed on cosmic energy). I don't need to be that fast. I just need to know the terrain better than my opponent. If the Cosmo-Knight can't
adjust for this, or is forced to blast through the trees to get to me, I have won, because I can pick my shots and he can't.

In fact, I would argue that about 90 percent of Rifts characters that die do so because they misjudge the tactical situation and the terrain, and not over die rolls.

Max™ wrote:You say that as if algebra isn't fun, and the game is more about physics than math anyways.

Ariel wrote:Max wrote:
You say that as if algebra isn't fun, and the game is more about physics than math anyways.

Cruciable wrote:
Physics, math, religion...they can all be annoying in an RPG.

I agree with Cruciable completely, but I also can see Max's point of view. Some people like math. I used to know a guy that did algebra in his head (No calculator, paper, or whatever) for fun. However, I never really saw him enjoy the games we played, unless he could reduce it all to an equation. Now, in an online game, math is a huge help. So any experienced online game playr knows how to maximize things so his or her char will live and kick rear. That said, when it comes time to swing swords, fire bows, or use that orbital strike, it all falls to luck, something math can only guess at since luck is chaos and math has problems with chaos. I have played in games, PnP and Computer/online, and anytime someone brings up religion or politics, the best bet to not cause a war is to back out of the conversation politely. Otherwise, it's pretty much guaranteed people will be fighting inside 5 minutes. Physics, well, it's a game. There is the whole 'suspension of disbelief' deal that's integral to any game ones plays. Folks who insist all those lasers, bows, armor, and so on has to be 100% real shouldn't be playing a game, they should be working for NASA. It all falls down to what people enjoy however, and I don't mean to sound like I'm insulting anyone's play styles, I just am relaying my own observations and experience. Ultimately, the final deciding factor for any playstyl is "Is it fun"