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Non-Lethal SAMAS Power Armor
I didn't want to put out every detail of the old SAm here. Full details on the PA-06A are on WB11: CWC pp. 113-114.
The basic design to use a SAMAS as riot deterrent has been with the CS for over 20 years, but it has seen a revamp in the last five years. With the CS military using newly designed power armor, the ISS has inherited thousands upon thousands of old style SAMs. A number of these have been refitted and used a crowd control/ police power armor unit.

The basic design of the old SAM remains unchanged except for a gun turret mounted over the right shoulder. The Turret replaces to C-40, and it’s cumbersome ammo drum, making the Riot SAMAS lighter and more versatile in city environment. The gun turret currently has two different designs: a rubber baton turret, and an experimental web/net firing cannon. In addition most Riot SAMAS have been issued the old C-14 Firebreather as a main weapon. This gives the unit an MD weapon to use and also the grenade launcher can be used with tear gas, flash bang, and smoke grenades for crowd control. The mini missile launcher on the left arm can also fire smoke, and fire retardant missiles.

The idea is that the use of the old SAM inside a fortress city would be harmful to both the infrastructure and the civilian population, has prompted the refitting of thousands of these power armor units.

Nickname: Riot SAMAS, or Riot Ranger SAM
Model Type: PA-06NL
Class: Strategic Armor Military Assault Suit
Crew: One
M.D.C. by Location:
Shoulder Wings (2) — 50 each
Main Rear Jets (2) — 60 each
Lower Maneuvering Jets (2; small) — 25 each
Forearm Mini-Missile Launcher (1; left) — 50
NEW - Shoulder gun turret - 50 for the baton turret, 65 for the web cannon
Hands (2) — 25 each
Arms (2) — 50 each
Legs (2) — 100 each
Head — 70
Main Body — 250

Speed: Unchanged.
Flying Range: Unchanged.
Underwater Capabilities: Unchanged.

Statistical Data
Height: 8 feet (2.4 m)
Width: Wings down, 3.5 feet (1.06 m)
Wings extended, 10 feet (3 m)
Length: 4 feet, 6 inches (1.4 m)
Weight: 340 lbs (153 kg) without rail gun. Unchanged, however the PA-06NL dosn't use a rail gun, and instead uses a lighter weapon system, making the overall weight less.
Physical Strength: Equal to a P.S. 30
Cargo: None
Power System: Nuclear, average SAMAS energy life is 20 years.
Black Market Cost: 1.8 million credits for a new, undamaged, fully powered suit with new and experimental non-lethal weapons package. Rarely available.
Weapon Systems
1. C-14 Fire Breather Rifle. The grenade portion of this rifle is used for tear gas, and smoke. The C-14 is the standard issue for the PA-06NL. Just like the PA-06A SAMAS, the C-14 has been stockpiled and replaced. Weapons now enjoy a home with the ISS. Its versatility can be used for both lethal and non-lethal force. Some ISS units are issued the CP-50 Dragonfire. See WB11: Coalition War Campaign pp. 89-97 for the C-14, CP-50 and other weapons used by the CS.
2. (Optional) CNL-440 Baton gun. A automatic rifle that fires rubber batons to subdue dissidents, or for crowd control. The idea is for the weapon to cause pain (in an effort to get the subject to surrender), but not do any actual harm. The design came from a collaborative effort with the New German Republic who uses such weapons in some of its riot control designs.
Primary Purpose: Non-Lethal capture
Secondary Purpose: Riot Control
Weight: Gun: 20 lbs ammo drum: 30 lbs
Damage: A single round dose 1D4 SDC. Plus the round has a 50% chance of knocking its target off their feet.
Rate of Fire: Equal to number of combined hand to hand attacks
Maximum Effective Range: 1000 feet
Payload: 1000 round drum. A second drum can be hooked to the undercarriage of the rocket jets, but first the used drum must be manually removed by another SAMAS or character. Reloading a drum will take about 5 minutes for those not trained, but a mere one minute by somebody trained in the use of SAMAS power armor.
3. (Optional ) CNL- 480 Web Dispenser. An extremely experimental piece of equipment still in the testing phase.
Primary Purpose: Capture
Weight: 24 lbs, with a supply drum that weighs about 40 lbs.
Damage: None. A blast from this weapon creates a sticky web like substance that can aid in capturing criminals. A blast from this weapon is enough to tangle up one (or two, if there are standing very close) person who will have to cut there way out (webbing has approx 10 MDC requiring a vibro blade to cut)
Range: 200 feet.
Rate of Fire: Standard
Payload: enough for about 100 shots.
4. CM-2 Rocket Launcher. The forearm not used to operate the rail gun, usually the left, is armed with a simple, two rocket, mini-missile launcher. On the PA-06NL the rockets used are very rarely the lethal variety. However, this weapon system is essentially unchanged.
5. Energy Rifles. The Riot SAMAS is small enough that it can use any of the standard infantry weapons from pistols and vibro-blades to rifles. However, outside of the C-14 and the CP-50, the use of this model is reserved for police efforts and military grade weapons are not usually used.
6. SDC weapons such as 12 gauge shotguns are also used depending on the situation. SDC weapons are used in favor of MD weapons especially in the city type environment.
7. Hand to Hand Combat. Rather than use a weapon, the pilot can engage in mega-damage hand to hand combat. See Basic and Elite Power Armor Combat Training on page 45 of the Rifts® RPG for combat bonuses.
8. Sensor Systems - Unchanged.

Dustin Fireblade wrote:It doesn't look like a bad concept at all.

So just to clarify - the Web Dispenser - this shoots a chemical goo?

The baton gun ammo seems excessive.

Other than that perhaps some sort of neural mace as standard?

keir451 wrote:Not bad! The only gripe I have is the shoulder mounted weapons turret, how does it fit on the intake vent? I might take a page from the Bandito Arms SMAS and install the weapon on one of the forearms instead, having it fire rubber bullets or the net. The missiles can also be used to deploy a glue that hardens and traps its target.

taalismn wrote:Remember also the psychological aspect of flying power armor...certain design features could be amped, like deliberately making the thrusters MORE noisy on demand. Having a heavily armored soldier hovering a few yards over your head, jet downbladt holwing like a banshee, the sound echoing off the walls of the concrete canyon you're standing in can have profound effects on your psyche(aircraft technicians working on some experimental turboprop aircraft, for instance, got phsyically sick from the shriek of the props , both directly and from the echo effect off the runway pavement).
Thruster downwash can also be used to spread tear gas and other chemical agents, PUSHING that stuff through fabric air filters, pushing up dust, and maybe even bowling over smaller-framed people.

jaymz wrote:I think i should post my Infantry SAMAS. I have to do some edits to make it compatible with the RAW though

Hystrix wrote:

taalismn wrote:Remember also the psychological aspect of flying power armor...certain design features could be amped, like deliberately making the thrusters MORE noisy on demand. Having a heavily armored soldier hovering a few yards over your head, jet downbladt holwing like a banshee, the sound echoing off the walls of the concrete canyon you're standing in can have profound effects on your psyche(aircraft technicians working on some experimental turboprop aircraft, for instance, got phsyically sick from the shriek of the props , both directly and from the echo effect off the runway pavement).
Thruster downwash can also be used to spread tear gas and other chemical agents, PUSHING that stuff through fabric air filters, pushing up dust, and maybe even bowling over smaller-framed people.

Hadn't thought about that. A noisier SAM, interesting.

jaymz wrote:I think i should post my Infantry SAMAS. I have to do some edits to make it compatible with the RAW though

Ooo. I'd/ love to see that. Maybe a hybrid between the infantry, and riot models...

Hystrix wrote:

taalismn wrote:Remember also the psychological aspect of flying power armor...certain design features could be amped, like deliberately making the thrusters MORE noisy on demand. Having a heavily armored soldier hovering a few yards over your head, jet downbladt holwing like a banshee, the sound echoing off the walls of the concrete canyon you're standing in can have profound effects on your psyche(aircraft technicians working on some experimental turboprop aircraft, for instance, got phsyically sick from the shriek of the props , both directly and from the echo effect off the runway pavement).
Thruster downwash can also be used to spread tear gas and other chemical agents, PUSHING that stuff through fabric air filters, pushing up dust, and maybe even bowling over smaller-framed people.

Hadn't thought about that. A noisier SAM, interesting.Ooo. .

taalismn wrote:

Hystrix wrote:

taalismn wrote:Remember also the psychological aspect of flying power armor...certain design features could be amped, like deliberately making the thrusters MORE noisy on demand. Having a heavily armored soldier hovering a few yards over your head, jet downbladt holwing like a banshee, the sound echoing off the walls of the concrete canyon you're standing in can have profound effects on your psyche(aircraft technicians working on some experimental turboprop aircraft, for instance, got phsyically sick from the shriek of the props , both directly and from the echo effect off the runway pavement).
Thruster downwash can also be used to spread tear gas and other chemical agents, PUSHING that stuff through fabric air filters, pushing up dust, and maybe even bowling over smaller-framed people.

Hadn't thought about that. A noisier SAM, interesting.Ooo. .

Of course, you'd get complaints from law-abiding citizens about the noise, but what would you rather have; dangerous destructive rioting and rampaging rablle, or some brief inconvenience from noise and insuing law and order?

novatomato wrote:it is an interesting concept but I must say I don't particularly agree with your reasonings behind it.
I picture the Sams as doing patrols in places like the Burbs, and not inside the actual CS cities (the people allowed inside the cities would be screened before entry to 'keep out the rifraf.) When it comes to dealing with the denizens of the Burbs, Chi-Town has been shown to not exactly care about anything really, plus there are plenty of inhabitants that are armed/armoured to be able to take on MD power armours so the Sams would require their main rail gun weaponry to be able to dissuade them from attacking. Secondly, there is no reason why they couldn't have tear/nerve gas missiles and a secondary weapon on hand.

Still, that being said I think the new suit is well designed and thought out. Certainly worth having some around in case there is a riot inside one of the cities (inspired by the pc's perhaps?)

jaymz wrote:One Infantry Samas

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Dr Megaverse wrote:I agree that the net/rubber bullet gun should be forearm mounted and instead of the CP40 maybe find a rifle which fires neural disruptor darts. There is a handgun version of this kind of weapon in the Merc Town book, shouldn't be hard to extrapolate it up to a rifle. Basically it uses compressed air to fire mini taser darts. The forearm mini missle launcher could be swapped for a grenade launcher used for tear gas/smoke dispenser/flashbang support.

novatomato wrote:it is an interesting concept but I must say I don't particularly agree with your reasonings behind it.
I picture the Sams as doing patrols in places like the Burbs, and not inside the actual CS cities (the people allowed inside the cities would be screened before entry to 'keep out the rifraf.) When it comes to dealing with the denizens of the Burbs, Chi-Town has been shown to not exactly care about anything really, plus there are plenty of inhabitants that are armed/armoured to be able to take on MD power armours so the Sams would require their main rail gun weaponry to be able to dissuade them from attacking. Secondly, there is no reason why they couldn't have tear/nerve gas missiles and a secondary weapon on hand.?)

taalismn wrote:

novatomato wrote:it is an interesting concept but I must say I don't particularly agree with your reasonings behind it.
I picture the Sams as doing patrols in places like the Burbs, and not inside the actual CS cities (the people allowed inside the cities would be screened before entry to 'keep out the rifraf.) When it comes to dealing with the denizens of the Burbs, Chi-Town has been shown to not exactly care about anything really, plus there are plenty of inhabitants that are armed/armoured to be able to take on MD power armours so the Sams would require their main rail gun weaponry to be able to dissuade them from attacking. Secondly, there is no reason why they couldn't have tear/nerve gas missiles and a secondary weapon on hand.?)

It's the Kinder, Gentler, More So Accommodating to Your Indovidual Needs We're Producing a SAMAS Unit Specifically With the Purpose of Kicking Your Head In version of the Coalition States. If they were any more kinder, gentler, or more accommodating, the SAMAS would have plush exteriors, be sprinkled with glitter, be decorated with hearts, moons, and rainbows, and carry handheld Stop signs. You don't want to go that far.

Hystrix wrote:[


Really? Ever been tear gassed? Nothing kind or gentle about it...

taalismn wrote:

Hystrix wrote:[


Really? Ever been tear gassed? Nothing kind or gentle about it...

As opposed to being rail-gunned, shrapnel-tenderized, laser-baked, or plasma flash-fried? Or maybe just have your gums massaged by a heavy plastic billy club driven by power armor-strength actuators? Even weeping snot and coughing for weeks is comparatively mild compared to be salsafied by low-power MD weaponry/melee combat.

Hystrix wrote:

taalismn wrote:

Hystrix wrote:[


Really? Ever been tear gassed? Nothing kind or gentle about it...

As opposed to being rail-gunned, shrapnel-tenderized, laser-baked, or plasma flash-fried? Or maybe just have your gums massaged by a heavy plastic billy club driven by power armor-strength actuators? Even weeping snot and coughing for weeks is comparatively mild compared to be salsafied by low-power MD weaponry/melee combat.

I get it. But I'm not propossing tat the CS do this to thier entire arsanal.

I thought you liked this idea?!?

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:wonder if someone could figure out a tazer type weapons systems

taalismn wrote:

Hystrix wrote:

taalismn wrote:

Hystrix wrote:[


Really? Ever been tear gassed? Nothing kind or gentle about it...

As opposed to being rail-gunned, shrapnel-tenderized, laser-baked, or plasma flash-fried? Or maybe just have your gums massaged by a heavy plastic billy club driven by power armor-strength actuators? Even weeping snot and coughing for weeks is comparatively mild compared to be salsafied by low-power MD weaponry/melee combat.

I get it. But I'm not propossing tat the CS do this to thier entire arsanal.

I thought you liked this idea?!?

I like the idea. Admittedly, you could probably get away with just issuing your SAMAS pilots tear gas rockets, neural maces, and grenades, and give them C-12 laser rifles(which have an SDC firing mode) in place of the rail guns(you still have an MD mode and the SAMAS's own enhanced strength for dealing with low-MDC barricades), BUT there are dozens of specialized riot and security vehicles in our own day and age that wouldn't last more than a few seconds in a warzone, and the military(well, Western armies at least) don't like to use tanks as police cars. The Coalition has NETSEC and their urban police units, who will want something more specialized to their particular needs. And as heavy-handed as the CS gets when getting down to 'urban renewal', the industrialists who provide the CS with cheap goods DO want to keep the damage and need to replace workers to a minimum, so they will exert some influence on giving the cop-soldiers/national guard the right tools for the job, rather than depend on noob military trainees(or rotated veterans who are more used to front line combat) with downgraded or seconded military gear. The urban cops are experienced enough to pick out and separate miscreant leaders, 'shape' mobs, and contain damage, while the line troopers are more apt to go for body-counts and lay down thick cover fire against all possible threat approaches.

taalismn wrote:

Hystrix wrote:

taalismn wrote:

Hystrix wrote:[


Really? Ever been tear gassed? Nothing kind or gentle about it...

As opposed to being rail-gunned, shrapnel-tenderized, laser-baked, or plasma flash-fried? Or maybe just have your gums massaged by a heavy plastic billy club driven by power armor-strength actuators? Even weeping snot and coughing for weeks is comparatively mild compared to be salsafied by low-power MD weaponry/melee combat.

I get it. But I'm not propossing tat the CS do this to thier entire arsanal.

I thought you liked this idea?!?

I like the idea. Admittedly, you could probably get away with just issuing your SAMAS pilots tear gas rockets, neural maces, and grenades, and give them C-12 laser rifles(which have an SDC firing mode) in place of the rail guns(you still have an MD mode and the SAMAS's own enhanced strength for dealing with low-MDC barricades), BUT there are dozens of specialized riot and security vehicles in our own day and age that wouldn't last more than a few seconds in a warzone, and the military(well, Western armies at least) don't like to use tanks as police cars. The Coalition has NETSEC and their urban police units, who will want something more specialized to their particular needs. And as heavy-handed as the CS gets when getting down to 'urban renewal', the industrialists who provide the CS with cheap goods DO want to keep the damage and need to replace workers to a minimum, so they will exert some influence on giving the cop-soldiers/national guard the right tools for the job, rather than depend on noob military trainees(or rotated veterans who are more used to front line combat) with downgraded or seconded military gear. The urban cops are experienced enough to pick out and separate miscreant leaders, 'shape' mobs, and contain damage, while the line troopers are more apt to go for body-counts and lay down thick cover fire against all possible threat approaches.

jaymz wrote:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:wonder if someone could figure out a tazer type weapons systems

Merc ops HAS a taser weapon. It would just be a larger version of said weapon.

Zer0 Kay wrote:Fire Fighter SAMAS
Police SAMAS
Can a SAMAS cary another person? Search and Rescue SAMAS
Skip all of these specialized SAMAS and go with the modular SAMAS mentioned in another section and have fast packs that specialize in the above.
Or since those ModSAMAS would be rare at first and specops then the standard would get modded into these.

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

Zer0 Kay wrote:Fire Fighter SAMAS
Police SAMAS
Can a SAMAS cary another person? Search and Rescue SAMAS
Skip all of these specialized SAMAS and go with the modular SAMAS mentioned in another section and have fast packs that specialize in the above.
Or since those ModSAMAS would be rare at first and specops then the standard would get modded into these.

well you can do that with the old samas , they got so many around

Zer0 Kay wrote:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

Zer0 Kay wrote:Fire Fighter SAMAS
Police SAMAS
Can a SAMAS cary another person? Search and Rescue SAMAS
Skip all of these specialized SAMAS and go with the modular SAMAS mentioned in another section and have fast packs that specialize in the above.
Or since those ModSAMAS would be rare at first and specops then the standard would get modded into these.

well you can do that with the old samas , they got so many around

Isn't that what I said? "The standard would get modded"... but then again I guess the standard isn't the first CS model huh?

taalismn wrote:Of course, the modular SAMAS would be on the top ten of the Black Market's 'to acquire' list, in spite of the risks, because it would be so easy to modify to end-customer's taste and/or available weapons and accessory systems.

Hystrix wrote:

Zer0 Kay wrote:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

Zer0 Kay wrote:Fire Fighter SAMAS
Police SAMAS
Can a SAMAS cary another person? Search and Rescue SAMAS
Skip all of these specialized SAMAS and go with the modular SAMAS mentioned in another section and have fast packs that specialize in the above.
Or since those ModSAMAS would be rare at first and specops then the standard would get modded into these.

well you can do that with the old samas , they got so many around

Isn't that what I said? "The standard would get modded"... but then again I guess the standard isn't the first CS model huh?

Isn't that what I'm doing here? Or are you saying skip the Smiling Jack, Super SAMAS, Striker SAMAS in favor of modding? Because the Riot SAM is a modded PA-06A...

Zer0 Kay wrote:

taalismn wrote:Of course, the modular SAMAS would be on the top ten of the Black Market's 'to acquire' list, in spite of the risks, because it would be so easy to modify to end-customer's taste and/or available weapons and accessory systems.

Because going from non-modular to a modular design on the same body is just soooooo difficult. I'd almost argue that the Black Market may be able to come up with it first.

taalismn wrote:

Zer0 Kay wrote:

taalismn wrote:Of course, the modular SAMAS would be on the top ten of the Black Market's 'to acquire' list, in spite of the risks, because it would be so easy to modify to end-customer's taste and/or available weapons and accessory systems.

Because going from non-modular to a modular design on the same body is just soooooo difficult. I'd almost argue that the Black Market may be able to come up with it first.

Well, especially integrating fire control....energy weapons are point and shoot, but projectile weapons need different targeting solutions)plus power allocation, recoil compensation, etc,, if you want to get detailed), so the computer systems have to be fairly flexible and expandable so you can load a set of different weapons characteristics so you can swap at will, or else have to download a software patch every time you change weapons systems out.

Nightmask wrote:The idea of modular armors with snap-on attachment ports is one I like, I loved the period when Iron Man was set up like that (sadly it didn't last very long). So would the modular ports be on the forearms, back, and head only or other spots as well?

Nightmask wrote:The idea of modular armors with snap-on attachment ports is one I like, I loved the period when Iron Man was set up like that (sadly it didn't last very long). So would the modular ports be on the forearms, back, and head only or other spots as well?

Zer0 Kay wrote:

Nightmask wrote:The idea of modular armors with snap-on attachment ports is one I like, I loved the period when Iron Man was set up like that (sadly it didn't last very long). So would the modular ports be on the forearms, back, and head only or other spots as well?

Forearms, back/shoulders, calfs

Blindscout wrote:Flashback to the Centurions....in full swing .

Blindscout wrote:Flashback to the Centurions....in full swing .

taalismn wrote:

Blindscout wrote:Flashback to the Centurions....in full swing .

"I said NO helicopter rotors! You know what happens when you put a rotor on a power armor and no torque control? You get a very motion-sick SAMAS pilot that's what! You ever throw up in a power armor? Believe me, army-issue coffee doesn't taste any better the SECOND time around!"

taalismn wrote:

Blindscout wrote:Flashback to the Centurions....in full swing .

"I said NO helicopter rotors! You know what happens when you put a rotor on a power armor and no torque control? You get a very motion-sick SAMAS pilot that's what! You ever throw up in a power armor? Believe me, army-issue coffee doesn't taste any better the SECOND time around!"

Blindscout wrote:[

You are conditionally incorrect (or correct) as far as this goes, Sir! If I happened to have eaten something with said coffee that did not already taste like vomit, then it could potentially taste better, otherwise it just tastes the same, Sir!