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While looking through my copy I noticed that Cloud of Slumber is listed as both a Second level and a Seventh level wizard spell, which is it or was one supposed to be something else.

Sorry if this has been addressed already.

Thanks all.

as the general rule is that an invocational equivilent of a warlock spell is always a higher level variant of the warlock spell, 7 is almost certaintly the correct level.

Yeah, usually when there are two spell levels listed, one is for a specific school of magic which gets the spell at a lower level and the higher level listed is to learn the spell as a general invocation.

As a Elemental spell CoS is L2.
Following the TtGD spell variants rules, spells converted between specialty magic (like elemental and mirror magics along with others) and common magic (invocations like what a wizard (or LLW) use) adds +5 levels to the spell (along with raising the PPE cost by approximately +50%).

Yeah but if its a seventh level spell for wizards, then why is it one of the commons spells that all
wizards apprentice are taught. Its a seventh level offensive spell? Can't learn the 6th level fireball
as a common spell, but a 7th level cloud of slumber . Seems to me this an unnecessary rule
change for a spell that was "exclusive" to Palladium fantasy wizard. First addition rules list it as an elemental spells listed under the wizard section as spell magic that mimics certain elemental magic. Seems to me Kevin merely forgot to write this spell in PFRPG rule book, then includes in Mysteries of Magic then he and the editors for whatever reason never catch the spell is listed twice (page 82 as a first level and page 86 as a 7th, since all wizard start with decipher magic, sense magic, globe of daylight (first level) and tongues (6th level) it makes sense that cloud is supposed to be a first level one.

Because the PF main book is almost 20 years old. Before any of the spell creation rules were written.

As to why students are taught the CoS instead of a Fire Ball.....[speculation]Maybe cause the worst the student can do with a miscast CoS is that people/animals are made to sleep. Not 'Burn down the Tower/House/Castle with a miscast spell.[/speculation]

Reagren Wright wrote:Yeah but if its a seventh level spell for wizards, then why is it one of the commons spells that all
wizards apprentice are taught. Its a seventh level offensive spell? Can't learn the 6th level fireball
as a common spell, but a 7th level cloud of slumber . Seems to me this an unnecessary rule
change for a spell that was "exclusive" to Palladium fantasy wizard. First addition rules list it as an elemental spells listed under the wizard section as spell magic that mimics certain elemental magic. Seems to me Kevin merely forgot to write this spell in PFRPG rule book, then includes in Mysteries of Magic then he and the editors for whatever reason never catch the spell is listed twice (page 82 as a first level and page 86 as a 7th, since all wizard start with decipher magic, sense magic, globe of daylight (first level) and tongues (6th level) it makes sense that cloud is supposed to be a first level one.

I think that since 2nd ed suffered a few copy paste type errors, and given the power of cloud of slumber (its a basically your dead if you fail spell) i can easily imagine it being moved to 7th level and the first level version being accidently copy pasted in and not being caught on the editors table.

kiralon wrote:

Reagren Wright wrote:Yeah but if its a seventh level spell for wizards, then why is it one of the commons spells that all
wizards apprentice are taught. Its a seventh level offensive spell? Can't learn the 6th level fireball
as a common spell, but a 7th level cloud of slumber . Seems to me this an unnecessary rule
change for a spell that was "exclusive" to Palladium fantasy wizard. First addition rules list it as an elemental spells listed under the wizard section as spell magic that mimics certain elemental magic. Seems to me Kevin merely forgot to write this spell in PFRPG rule book, then includes in Mysteries of Magic then he and the editors for whatever reason never catch the spell is listed twice (page 82 as a first level and page 86 as a 7th, since all wizard start with decipher magic, sense magic, globe of daylight (first level) and tongues (6th level) it makes sense that cloud is supposed to be a first level one.

I think that since 2nd ed suffered a few copy paste type errors, and given the power of cloud of slumber (its a basically your dead if you fail spell) i can easily imagine it being moved to 7th level and the first level version being accidently copy pasted in and not being caught on the editors table.

This.

Btw, I so thought this post was going to read "where are 2 & 3?"

The Dark Elf wrote:Btw, I so thought this post was going to read "where are 2 & 3?"

That does seem to be the most often asked question with regard to MofM.

Stone Gargoyle wrote:

The Dark Elf wrote:Btw, I so thought this post was going to read "where are 2 & 3?"

That does seem to be the most often asked question with regard to MofM.

There have been Rifts books getting in the way of them.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

Stone Gargoyle wrote:

The Dark Elf wrote:Btw, I so thought this post was going to read "where are 2 & 3?"

That does seem to be the most often asked question with regard to MofM.

There have been Rifts books getting in the way of them.

That is usually the case. Though it was mentioned in the weekly update that there was a spike in sales of PFRPG books this week, they probably still won't realize there is a demand for books for THIS game/setting.

I would say it was simply a bunch of shoddy work by the editor and writers.

Like seriously where was a perfect chance to clarify a bunch of the rules and what not and they failed. Lots of the spells in the section listed as "new" appear in the core book.

Here is my review: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=108345&hilit=Detailed+review+of

URLeader Hobbes wrote:I would say it was simply a bunch of shoddy work by the editor and writers.

Like seriously where was a perfect chance to clarify a bunch of the rules and what not and they failed. Lots of the spells in the section listed as "new" appear in the core book.

Here is my review: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=108345&hilit=Detailed+review+of

Yeah, and I still stand by J Lionheart's response.

Of course, I've read reviews of it that made yours seem downright loving.

Reagren Wright wrote:Yeah but if its a seventh level spell for wizards, then why is it one of the commons spells that all
wizards apprentice are taught. Its a seventh level offensive spell? Can't learn the 6th level fireball
as a common spell, but a 7th level cloud of slumber . Seems to me this an unnecessary rule
change for a spell that was "exclusive" to Palladium fantasy wizard. First addition rules list it as an elemental spells listed under the wizard section as spell magic that mimics certain elemental magic. Seems to me Kevin merely forgot to write this spell in PFRPG rule book, then includes in Mysteries of Magic then he and the editors for whatever reason never catch the spell is listed twice (page 82 as a first level and page 86 as a 7th, since all wizard start with decipher magic, sense magic, globe of daylight (first level) and tongues (6th level) it makes sense that cloud is supposed to be a first level one.

It's a bit too powerful for a lower level spell though. and the fact that it's 7th level is kind of irrelevent. Wizards can be taught any level of spell at any time. There's nothing stopping someone from teaching your first level wizard Restore Life and Dimensional Portal except the difficulty of finding someone willing to give such valuble knowlage to a novice.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Reagren Wright wrote:Yeah but if its a seventh level spell for wizards, then why is it one of the commons spells that all
wizards apprentice are taught. Its a seventh level offensive spell? Can't learn the 6th level fireball
as a common spell, but a 7th level cloud of slumber . Seems to me this an unnecessary rule
change for a spell that was "exclusive" to Palladium fantasy wizard. First addition rules list it as an elemental spells listed under the wizard section as spell magic that mimics certain elemental magic. Seems to me Kevin merely forgot to write this spell in PFRPG rule book, then includes in Mysteries of Magic then he and the editors for whatever reason never catch the spell is listed twice (page 82 as a first level and page 86 as a 7th, since all wizard start with decipher magic, sense magic, globe of daylight (first level) and tongues (6th level) it makes sense that cloud is supposed to be a first level one.

It's a bit too powerful for a lower level spell though. and the fact that it's 7th level is kind of irrelevent. Wizards can be taught any level of spell at any time. There's nothing stopping someone from teaching your first level wizard Restore Life and Dimensional Portal except the difficulty of finding someone willing to give such valuble knowlage to a novice.

Exactly. Remember, in PB games "spell level" is supposed to be nothing more than an indicator of how common a spell is, and the power level/ppe cost of the spell itself, not the mage casting it.