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Re: Quick question about Repel Animals spell
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:38 pm
by Rimmerdal
relicandcheese wrote:The discription states: "Saving throw; 12 or higher even for animals." However, Pg 156 of the PFRPG 2nd ed states that animals save verses magic at -4. This spell is specifically designed to affect animals, so which is correct?
It would by title be for use against animals of a non-magical/fantastic nature. Fantastic or magic animals may wave the -4 depending on the GM. and yes 12 would be a reasonable save for the given animal with the -4 already added.
Nature has a way of taking care of itself.
Re: Quick question about Repel Animals spell
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:35 am
by Rimmerdal
relicandcheese wrote:relicandcheese wrote:The discription states: "Saving throw; 12 or higher even for animals." However, Pg 156 of the PFRPG 2nd ed states that animals save verses magic at -4. This spell is specifically designed to affect animals, so which is correct?
Hmm...
Thank you for your reply, Rimmerdal, but I have the feeling I'm missing something here.
I
am refering to regular animals here. Standard save vs Magic is 12. And as stated, the PFRPG says that animals save at -4, which means they will have to roll a 16 or better to save.
My confusion is that a spell specifically designed for animals actually seems to be 'less' effective agaist them.
Thus the question: do animals save at 12, as stated, or was something missed in the typing, and it's actually 16 or better to save against this spell?
needing a a 12 isn't so bad. and yes as GM you could rule that the -4 is added. Personally a 12 isn't bad since animals can be quite willful. have you ever had a Siamese cat? they practically own you. Does seem in effective.
But animals don't get ME bonuses so twelve is a fair number most of the time.
Re: Quick question about Repel Animals spell
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:17 pm
by Tor
PE bonuses =/
Re: Quick question about Repel Animals spell
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:19 am
by Rimmerdal
Tor wrote:PE bonuses =/
Right...My dyslexia acting up..LOL! but you get the idea.
Re: Quick question about Repel Animals spell
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:06 am
by The Beast
relicandcheese wrote:The discription states: "Saving throw; 12 or higher even for animals." However, Pg 156 of the PFRPG 2nd ed states that animals save verses magic at -4. This spell is specifically designed to affect animals, so which is correct?
Given the weird phrasing right there, I'd say that animals don't have the -4 penalty when resisting this spell.
Re: Quick question about Repel Animals spell
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:37 am
by drewkitty ~..~
Awkward wording....
The way I'm seeing it is that is that the text says that the saving throw is vs the mage's spell str. w/o the -4 animals normally get.