glitterboy2098 wrote:Macross II was the sorta sequel to Macross Do You Remember Love. macross II and DYRL exist as movies within the SDF:macross&sequels setting, with DYRl as a fictionalized alternate retelling of the events of the 1st space war, and macross II being basically a alt-reality flick.
Yes, that was as DYRL and Macross II were put as being "out of canon/continuity" in Macross 7, ressetting the timeline from them onwards, so to speak.
glitterboy2098 wrote:As far as the possible connections.. well, in the macross II setting, it is likely the idea was that the race that created all of the different groups (who created the zentran and meltran to fight each other, and who fled that genocidal war to settle earth and create humanity) were also the ancestors/creators of the Marduk, and that names like marduk, ishtar, gilgamesh, etc were stuff from the language of the common ancestor, and that on earth evolved into the babylonian mythology.
if you are porting it over to other PB lines, or want to bring the DB2 deities into macross II, you could presume that the babylonian pantheon had some contact with the ancestors of the Marduk, imparting some language and culture that shaped their later development. this could actually open up some interesting ideas.. since it could let you use the marduk as minions of one or more of the babylonian gods in megaversal games. though their lack of magic or psionics would pose some issues in some settings. (assuming the GM does not just give them access to something suitably thematic)
There are bits in each setting to allow room for either of those two takes - Lord Emperor Ingues of the Marduk was implied to be a millenia-old being, what might indicate a godling and the Emulators seemed to have empathic/mental abilities related to their songs that while not mechanically worked as such in the book, that might be simply an artifact of the lack of a psionics/magic system in Robotech.
And then there's the fact Pantheons of the Megaverse presents us with Erghoul-Katet, a Sowki witch that acted as satrap/overlord for Abzu in millenia past in some unamed alien world, or Gilgamesh experimenting with cloning and weird ritual magics serving as a pointed examples of the mesopotamian gods playing in the interestelar/transdimensional & technological fields when convenient. So it might be said to be something of a "either/or" case.
glitterboy2098 wrote:another option, in a megaversal game, would be to invoke Atlantis.. we know that True Atlantians before the fall had connections to several pantheons (notably the greek one), and the true atlantean diaspora would allow for even more contact. it would not take much to imagine a true atlantean tribe finding their way somewhere and evolving into something new culturally and/or physically (much the way the inhabitants of Seeron did), and then developing space travel, finding Zentran and Metran, reverse engineering their tech, etc. the babylonian connection could have occured in such a scenario at any point in their early history.. before the fall, during the diaspora, after the settling of whatever world they chose..
For the True Atlanteans i'm not certain it does quite work as while mentioned Abzu and his ilk did have a present in Rifts Earth at the Atlanteans' "time of glory", it also points out to an active avoidance of them by the mesopotamians while establishing their local power base, implying either no contact in the period or antagonistic ones at most. But that speaking of
Rifts Earth Atlantis - now, the popularity of cananite/mesopotamian names between the Nightlords & associates would seem to tell us about "
Nightlantis" a whole different story... Damn, maybe the Dark is slumbering Abzu.
glitterboy2098 wrote:personally i have rather liked the idea of using the Macross II factions as parts of phase world.. the Un Spacy could be a small star nation in one of the three galaxies (perhaps one of the many "earths" settled by humans mentioned in DB2), with the marduk and various zentran and meltran fleets as nomadic 'tribal' factions roaming the galaxy. technology wise their stuff is comparable to the lower end three galaxies gear, and would make for interesting alternatives to "contragravity, shields, and antimatter" all the time.
That is certainly doable - UN Spacy as one of the many constituent states of the CCW would certainly work, specially in Thundercloud, where the resulting certain degree of isolation/distance could go a long way toward explaining the slight techonological gap in relation to 3 Galaxies mainstream.
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