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Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:30 am**

I'm working on makeing weapons and armor more customisable by players, including things like what kind of metal (or wood/leather/bone) it is made of, and more detailed information on things like joten, kobold, dwarven forging, their effects, and more things (including oger tailored leathers, gnomish mechanical weapons, or elven bows), and I'm just seeing if anyone has ideas along these lines.

I've already got rules for the following materals, Steel, Iron, Copper, Bronze, Gold, Silver, Demon hides, and all metals and speical woods found in the Hinterlands book.
Can anyone think of things other than these that might be interesting or fun?

Cinos

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:38 am**

Unobtainium
Handwavium

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:41 am**

MrNexx wrote:Unobtainium
Handwavium

random brain bursts, or something you submitted in the MoM book?

I'm hoping for the former btw....

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:43 am**

Marrowlight wrote:
MrNexx wrote:Unobtainium
Handwavium

random brain bursts, or something you submitted in the MoM book?

I'm hoping for the former btw....

It'd be funny if I submitted them, but no... they're just standard names for "Materials we have no idea how they work or are produced, but gee aren't they cool?"

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:45 am**

MrNexx wrote:
Marrowlight wrote:
MrNexx wrote:Unobtainium
Handwavium

random brain bursts, or something you submitted in the MoM book?

I'm hoping for the former btw....

It'd be funny if I submitted them, but no... they're just standard names for "Materials we have no idea how they work or are produced, but gee aren't they cool?"

I seem to recall Coffin's materials being equally weird sounding. I kinda wish Palladium had more exotic materials in its world truth be told. Crazy cool gems and metals are one of the things I really like about D&D that I don't see much in Palladium (and that's probably the reason why, but bah, I still like them)

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:48 am**

Cinos wrote:I'm working on makeing weapons and armor more customisable by players, including things like what kind of metal (or wood/leather/bone) it is made of, and more detailed information on things like joten, kobold, dwarven forging, their effects, and more things (including oger tailored leathers, gnomish mechanical weapons, or elven bows), and I'm just seeing if anyone has ideas along these lines.

I've already got rules for the following materals, Steel, Iron, Copper, Bronze, Gold, Silver, Demon hides, and all metals and speical woods found in the Hinterlands book.
Can anyone think of things other than these that might be interesting or fun?

Cinos

Bone
Stone
Wood
Tin

And if you want to include more modern materials:
Cardboard
Hard Plastic
Soft Plastic
Aluminum
Titanium
Uranium
Depleted Uranium

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:58 am**

Bone
Stone
Wood
Tin

I've already dealt with speical woods (and converting normaly metal weapons to normal wood and vice versa, the same with stone), but Tin would be fun.

Cardboard
Hard Plastic
Soft Plastic
Aluminum
Titanium
Uranium
Depleted Uranium

I'd like to keep it in the realm of Palladium Fantasy, so I'm trying not to include these more moderin materials (And weapons and armor made of cardboard stop being weapons and armor if you ask me

).

Unobtainium
Handwavium

Real materials please (but Unobtainium sounds really cool, so I might have to invent some crazy magical metal for it....)

If you've already done demon hides, you're probably well advised to run the hides from other animals as well, especially monstrous ones. As for metals, I'd definitely differentiate Dwarven and Kobold steel from the standard variety just on principle. Also, the old Treasures of Middle Earth book by ICE has a fairly exhuastive listing of woods, metals and other materials if you're inclined.

I did up some stuff a couple of years back too. I can probably dig it out if you want to take a look. All of the armour stuff uses the RF system instead of AR's though.

I include these leathers and bones monster to monster, if it is applicable (otherwise they just fall in a general catagorie), and also include spell components magic users can destroy to get temporary boosts to a spell.

Cinos

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:53 am**

There are references in Rifts Atlantis2 fr MDC armors which could be a basis for the SDC variety.

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:17 pm**

Korobite, White Iron, Black Iron, Gantrium - from Northern Hinterlands
Yellow Wood Tree, Honey Tooth Tree - from Eastern Territory
Magic of Science - from Rifter #10

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:45 pm**

Cinos wrote:
Cardboard
Hard Plastic
Soft Plastic
Aluminum
Titanium
Uranium
Depleted Uranium

I'd like to keep it in the realm of Palladium Fantasy, so I'm trying not to include these more moderin materials (And weapons and armor made of cardboard stop being weapons and armor if you ask me )

Don't think "cardboard boxes" think more along the lines of the 1/2" thick industrial tubes they roll carpet and stuff up on.
Not great stuff, but no worse than padded.

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:44 pm**

There's the Insectiod armor in Yin-Sloth (Fyr-Kree or something?), and at least a couple other creatures where they mention turning them into armor. I think.

I forgot about that stuff, time to dust off my Yin-Sloth!

if you guys want i made up a bunch of cool gems(non magical and some psi based) and ive made up some cool stuff that comes from differnt parts of the palladium world, im still working on it my guys love it one of the got one of the gems and decided to run around screaming how he found a rare gem(his character was drunk) and he got beat down by some ogres but when they tried ot take it it burned them(it was a psi gem and bc he was a psi mystic it used a psi power(float) and it flew higher than they could reach. if you wanna know i have a list of these the gems are for the guy saying he iwshed there were more like dnd but yeah i got a few material if your still looking

If you could e-mail me this list (cinos_42@yahoo.com) I'd love it, even if I don't end up using it.

Cinos

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:31 pm**

Silver rune covered paper.

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:28 am**

The Immortal ME wrote:Silver rune covered paper.

Just paper. Parchment, on the other hand... ;-)

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:24 am**

Alright, I know there is one, but what is the technical difference? If you buy "parchment" now, though, it is usually just funky textured paper.

And as I recall, the books tend to use the two interchangeably; it talks about placing pure silver runes on "parchment paper" ... so which is it, parchment of paper?

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:44 am**

The Immortal ME wrote:Alright, I know there is one, but what is the technical difference? If you buy "parchment" now, though, it is usually just funky textured paper.

Paper is made from pulped wood. Parchment is made from treated animal skin.

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:48 pm**

I have actually been working on several roll-ups for treasure chests etc. using percentages. For weapons i have things like iron, copper, silver, gold, platinum, demon bone, angel bone, god bone, unicorn horn. And similiar types and skins for armor. I have also come up with new enchatnments and roll ups for types of weapons and armors. Very time consuming but worth it as Game Master when your players find unique items. Have also come up with new item types and new curses. :ok:

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:59 pm**

I found a couple more monster-derived armor bits.

In LOD 2, both the Beast of Kathos (pg. 75), and the Slithering Terror (pg. 95) have natural armor that's harvestable. It seems like the Udok (pg. 99) would also (it is the "Armored Bull", after all), but there's no mention in the writeup.

I know I've already dealt with the monsters in LoD1, and know about the extra ones in LoD2, but I haven't gotten around to writing it up yet.

I am putting in a vote for Meteoric Rock. I think its in one of the sourcebooks, but i'll put it up here. Once the rock has been melted down and has all the impurities removed from it, it must be kept hot or else when it cools it can no longer be altered in any way. (Think Wolverines' adamantium.) usually requiring a mold for forging it. once the object is forged correctly it is indestructible and surprisingly light (in the case of both weapons and armor) as well as having three magical abilities! (roll randomly for magic properties, main book i believe.) I believe why this has that properties is that meteors, the source of the material, come from space, for which is the 'playground' of the gods. Meaning that that particular chunk of meteoric material has magical properties naturally!

Anyways, thats my favorite, next to Duct Tape Plate Mail. (AR 16, 250 SDC. only Half normal prowl penalties due to sound dampening padding from tape.)

Metor rocks sound fun for weapons and armor, I'll definley have to play with that, but as far as the great and wonderius Duct Tape Plate Mail, is tape even around in a PF time zone?

And as rungok pointed out, rune paper armor is not very useful, as it has far to much give (and think of the paper cuts!), and I refuse to make something so undignifyed.

Cinos

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:29 pm**

Killer Cyborg wrote:
Cinos wrote:
Cardboard
Hard Plastic
Soft Plastic
Aluminum
Titanium
Uranium
Depleted Uranium

I'd like to keep it in the realm of Palladium Fantasy, so I'm trying not to include these more moderin materials (And weapons and armor made of cardboard stop being weapons and armor if you ask me )

Don't think "cardboard boxes" think more along the lines of the 1/2" thick industrial tubes they roll carpet and stuff up on.
Not great stuff, but no worse than padded.

Yah.

You can bash the crap out of someone with carboard tubing on your forearms and shins.
Improvised weapons and armour they may be, but they can do in a pinch.

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:39 pm**

According to the Wikipedia article on steel:

Iron was in limited use long before it became possible to smelt it. The first signs of iron use come from Ancient Egypt and Sumer, where around 4000 BC small items, such as the tips of spears and ornaments, were being fashioned from iron recovered from meteorites (see Iron: History). About 6% of meteorites are composed of an iron-nickel alloy, and iron recovered from meteorite falls allowed ancient peoples to manufacture small numbers of iron artifacts.

Meteoric iron was also fashioned into tools in precontact North America. Beginning around the year 1000, the Thule people of Greenland began making harpoons and other edged tools from pieces of the Cape York meteorite. These artifacts were also used as trade goods with other Arctic peoples: tools made from the Cape York meteorite have been found in archaeological sites more than 1000 miles (1600 km) away. When the American polar explorer Robert Peary shipped the largest piece of the meteorite to the American Museum of Natural History in New York City in 1897, it still weighed over 33 tons.

The name for iron in several ancient languages means "sky metal" or something similar. In distant antiquity, iron was regarded as a precious metal, suitable for royal ornaments.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:33 pm**

How about glass or ceramic? You'd probably have to enchant them though.

Didn't the feudal Japanese have paper armor? It was, of course, many many layers of paper, not a tissue-paper jumpsuit. It'd be amusing to make a suit of armor out of the pages of spellbooks, or of course, the traditional silver-runed paper.

I believe the Mongols used silk 'armor' (if you can call it that). Silk is startlingly tough stuff in layers. Primarily it allowed them to pull barbed arrows out without (further) injury: the arrow would obviously still become impaled in the body, however not as deep, and as it wouldn't pierce the silk (which wrapped the barbs), allowed the arrow to be removed easily. Still, not exactly what I'd call 'armor'. :lol:

Unobtainium
Handwavium

You forgot Fictionite.

I was going to suggest magnets, but then I realized you'd just end up curled in a little ball and unable to move. :lol:

How about feathers? It'd have to be lots of feathers. But there are some pretty big, magical feathery things. Wing-tip armor is just ridiculous, though. :-D

I once had an ogre character use the bodies of two unconscious team-mates for armor, one tied on the front, one on the back...

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:34 pm**

While thinking of this, a friend and I had a great idea. Get several high level earth warlocks, and have them inhabit a suit of armor and weapons, then give them to a fighter, it's like runic weapons!

Cinos

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:50 pm**

FWIW, I covered some ideas for rune-parchment armor in the Mysteries of Magic manuscript.

Oh, and why every diabolist should know the term "daisy-chain"

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:20 pm**

MrNexx wrote:FWIW, I covered some ideas for rune-parchment armor in the Mysteries of Magic manuscript.

Oh, and why every diabolist should know the term "daisy-chain"

'Cause lesbians rock?

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:37 pm**

MrNexx wrote:FWIW, I covered some ideas for rune-parchment armor in the Mysteries of Magic manuscript.

Oh, and why every diabolist should know the term "daisy-chain"

Interlocking loops of indestructable parchment forming a rope?

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:14 pm**

rungok wrote:What about taking a person's plate mail, and Gluing the silver runed paper to it? The plate mail would hold againt the impact, and other things arent going to be punching through it.

I know were getting into the realms of the rediculous, but its a space someone must explore... and captain Kirk retired years ago.

MrNexx wrote:FWIW, I covered some ideas for rune-parchment armor in the Mysteries of Magic manuscript.

Oh, and why every diabolist should know the term "daisy-chain"

I covered Rune Paper Armor here:
viewtopic.php?t=32112

Check it out.

Posted: **Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:41 pm**

Actually, when I think about it, a single layer of rune-paper glued over plate armor would be savagely effective. You'd be practically immune to piercing attacks.

One might argue that the paper is still flexible, and thus could be driven through the plate armor by an arrow or other heavy impact focused on one point. However, in order to pierce the metal, the arrow is going to have to hit hard enough to dislodge the entire glued surface of the paper; the force is going to be roughly parallel to the surface of the sheet, and adhesives would be enormously strong under those conditions.

If the attacker is managing to get through the armor in this fashion, it's not going to be getting impaled that kills you.

Posted: **Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:02 pm**

Killer Cyborg wrote:[
I covered Rune Paper Armor here:
viewtopic.php?t=32112

Check it out.

There was a bit of confusion between what's parchment and what's paper... that would be useful to include in MoM, now that I think about it.

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:42 pm**

/Sigh, I bring up armor and of course someone has to bring up the silver runed paper armor....

Cinos

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:24 pm**

Gosh. I sparked a fair amount of debate making an offhand joke.

Posted: **Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:36 am**

You should know that an off hand joke ALWAYS sparks a pointless debate about re-hashed issues that never die and are never really resolved.

Cinos

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:37 am**

i may have missed it, but i dont think so. i am wondering why nobody said anything about Meteorites.. both historically and fictionally speaking soem of the great swords were forged from " rocks from the heavens "

just a suggestion because meteor rock mordern day can be worth up to several thousand dollars a pound.... food for thought..

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:28 pm**

Cinos wrote:I'm working on makeing weapons and armor more customisable by players, including things like what kind of metal (or wood/leather/bone) it is made of, and more detailed information on things like joten, kobold, dwarven forging, their effects, and more things (including oger tailored leathers, gnomish mechanical weapons, or elven bows), and I'm just seeing if anyone has ideas along these lines.

I've already got rules for the following materals, Steel, Iron, Copper, Bronze, Gold, Silver, Demon hides, and all metals and speical woods found in the Hinterlands book.
Can anyone think of things other than these that might be interesting or fun?

Cinos

Well, you could use meteoric iron, since that often has concentrations of titanium and nickel.

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