choir boys

DBX · Unread post by **DBX** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:40 am

the manhunter book had some good occ's, but the choir boys stood out.

your thoughts.

they are sort of occ that may well have set up shop somewhere on rifts Earth &/or in UWW source. your thoughts

what occ if any is on par with the chior boys?

Borast · Unread post by **Borast** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:46 pm

Off the top of my head...CS Military Specialist (and Triax equivalent), or Special Forces from Mercenaries.

DBX · Unread post by **DBX** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:14 am

Borast wrote:Off the top of my head...CS Military Specialist (and Triax equivalent), or Special Forces from Mercenaries.

arn't choir boys assassin types &/or CK's of a sort. they have karmic power as a natural ability or skill? true/false. makes them some of the baddest ****** in the megaverse

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:33 pm

They have Karmic Power, not Charmic power.

Basically they permantly have luck on their side.

Game effect, they get a bunch of bonuses and deprive any opponents of thier bonuses and can give their allies increased bonuses and inflict negatives on their enemies.

The power only works as long as the CB adheres to his code, but since his code was written by a group of Bounty Hunters, there's a lot of things they can get away with.

I put the Chior Boy on par with a Cyber-Knight or a Juicer or similar super-powered but not naturally MDC warriors.

AzathothXy · Unread post by **AzathothXy** » Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:31 am

I thought the Bloodhood(?) had the karmic power. The choir boys had random powers.

Marcethus · Unread post by **Marcethus** » Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:08 am

the Bloodhood Adherent AKA Choir Boy (not that you would want to call them that to their face) are the Bounty hunters that cross Terran Monk with Chiropti Warrior codes. They have Karmic power and as Jeffar said it aids them greatly, but there are a few things they won't allow when they are apart of a bounty hunting team.

The Zone Boy is the one that gets random super abilities. Though I could see the SIM also possesing a minor Super power.

Borast · Unread post by **Borast** » Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:32 am

Personally, I was going by the fact that the Special Forces style soldiers tend to be the most "all around" and able to cope with the broadest variety of situtions.

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:19 pm

Well the Choir Boy is like a Special Forces Trooper, but he also has powers that turn his opposition into the Keystone cops.

Guest · Unread post by **Guest** » Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:25 pm

Jefffar wrote:Well the Choir Boy is like a Special Forces Trooper, but he also has powers that turn his opposition into the Keystone cops.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

So did kev get the Karmic Power from Manhunter, or vice versa?

Guest · Unread post by **Guest** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:01 am

Neat to now.

I guess it would be bad if I asked if it was older than Longshot.

AzathothXy · Unread post by **AzathothXy** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:02 am

Marcethus wrote:the Bloodhood Adherent AKA Choir Boy (not that you would want to call them that to their face) are the Bounty hunters that cross Terran Monk with Chiropti Warrior codes. They have Karmic power and as Jeffar said it aids them greatly, but there are a few things they won't allow when they are apart of a bounty hunting team.

The Zone Boy is the one that gets random super abilities. Though I could see the SIM also possesing a minor Super power.

Yeah. Sorry, got the two confused. Momentary slip.

acreRake · Unread post by **acreRake** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:58 am

aegis wrote:I think that power comes way back even before the original heroes unlimited. In the comic book (cant remember its name) there is supposed to be a character in it with that power. So well, well, well before manhunter.

Justice Machine

Marcethus · Unread post by **Marcethus** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:58 pm

nothing to be sorry about azathoth they both have the word boy in them so tis' easy to get them mixed up

sinestus · Unread post by **sinestus** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:29 pm

personally,
i loved the manhunter book...
most of the races and classes in that are good stuff...

Nekira Sudacne · Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:13 am

one thing I find most peopel overlook.

the powers and bonuses from karmic power ONLY apply to when "the cause is good and just"

meaning it dose NOT work in most fights. only when there is a MAJOR fight between good and evil going on.

collecting bounties dosn't qualify.

AzathothXy · Unread post by **AzathothXy** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:28 am

sinestus wrote:personally,
i loved the manhunter book...
most of the races and classes in that are good stuff...

I liked the book as well, but some of the OCCS and equipment seemed alittle incomplete.

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:14 pm

I got the impression that the Choir Boy was a special case. As long as he followed the letter and spirit of his code the karmic power will remain in effect, even if he is an evil character collecting a bounty on a good character.

Marcethus · Unread post by **Marcethus** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:51 pm

I agree with Jeffar on the case of the Bloodhood Adherent being an exception to the "good and just" I would rule that so long as they follow the spirit and letter of Ryooshido, The Hunter's Code then they get the full bonuses of Karmic Power.

Nekira Sudacne · Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:16 am

I don't. Karmic Power is Karmic Power.

in the absence of it stating specifically, they have all the normal weaknesses.

Marcethus · Unread post by **Marcethus** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:20 pm

Then we agree to disagree then

Nekira Sudacne · Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:53 pm

Marcethus wrote:Then we agree to disagree then

guess so.

to be honest my real problem with it is it's so unbelivably powerful. I have no problems with the bonuses, it's the fact that it negates ALL of the opponets bonuses from ANY source that makes it so unreasonable.

so i'm VERY harsh on when it does or does not kick in.

sinestus · Unread post by **sinestus** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:04 pm

if Karmic power only kicks in in major battles of good and evil,
then it's a matter of defining major battles...

the impression i got was of greater good...

the choirboy works in an organization oriented towards maintainging the greater good of the universe...
they didn't collect bounties on bail jumpers, and scum that would hardly warrent the attention of the local police...

they went after major threats to the universe...
serious criminals who would continue making the universe a hard place to live in...

basically, the choirboy is a self-proclaimed palladin of the universe,
Manhunter's cosmo knights...

thus if they were told "go bring this guy in" even if they might not understand the overall impact of the bounty, they would know (as would the universe) that it was important to bring him in...

this would/could also lead to story arc's where the choirboy realizes at some point that bringing in a bounty is costing him his Karma, and thus sets him to seek out what the correct line of action is, and why the bloodhood would endanger his place in the universe for some false goal...

Nekira Sudacne · Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:07 pm

hey, if you want to play it that way, go right ahead.

but here's a brainbender for you.

it's discribed as part of the ongoing battle between good and evil, an equalizer of sorts.

dosn't that mean that, in order to maintain the balance. . .somewhere out there there has to be a polar opposite power?

Marcethus · Unread post by **Marcethus** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:15 am

good question nekira and I don't know I would say in the scheme of things there should be a power like that for evil.

sinestus · Unread post by **sinestus** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:02 pm

Nekira Sudacne wrote:hey, if you want to play it that way, go right ahead.

but here's a brainbender for you.

it's discribed as part of the ongoing battle between good and evil, an equalizer of sorts.

dosn't that mean that, in order to maintain the balance. . .somewhere out there there has to be a polar opposite power?

yeap...

theoretically...

in one campeign i actually had an evil NPC with karmic power for evil... tho, different reason... he was an artificial human with the ability to calculate all possible outcomes of a situation...
thus Probability Calculation allowed him the same boni as Karmic Power without morality problems... but he was also pre-programmed with a code of honor and the like to compensate...

DBX · Unread post by **DBX** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:14 am

Nekira Sudacne wrote:hey, if you want to play it that way, go right ahead.

but here's a brainbender for you.

it's discribed as part of the ongoing battle between good and evil, an equalizer of sorts.

dosn't that mean that, in order to maintain the balance. . .somewhere out there there has to be a polar opposite power?

IMO there is a karmic power for evil so and so's. i would NOT have one for selfish alignments.

so just reverse bonuses for karmic power for evil alignments. it effects good alignment & good actions in the same way that good karmic power effects evil alignment/evil actions